They have obviousy got the Jet A1 back on line. Well done guys. Just hope that they haven't got any departures before 1700, 'cause it is snowing right now.

Anyone know how the passenger figures are holding up with the new LCY time table. Has the twice a day time table been announced on the web yet?
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any news from Dundee?

No . . . . .

Yep....that fokker is one big ugly aeroplane compared to the pretty little Dornier!:E

Dundee is planning a champagne reception when the Fokker actually arrives on time.

Champagne, more like a carton of Ribena on HIAL's budget. Luckily for them the chances of the Fokker being on-time are slim to none. Plus, the fact that they're struggling to half-fill the thing means they won't have too many people to celebrate with. In the words of the HIAL MD the future is 'Bleak'.

A 50% load factor on a F50 equals a 81% load factor on a Do.328.

Sad times indeed.

Why wasn't the ScotAirways contract renewed I wonder? Dundee was never going to fill a Fokker 50 alas and those LCY slots can be filled elsewhere I think.

Think you have hit the nail on the head Skipness One Echo, Those slots are incredibly valuble at LCY, and i think its only a matter of time until AF pulls the route and uses them for another route.

If the LCY route is dropped, can Dundee airport survive? Are there enough pax from the BHX and BFS flights to keep it afloat? 50% load wont be sustainable.
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Could Aer Arran sustain an atr 42 operation if the LCY operation is dropped to SEN? They seem to have the idea to develop it into London's regional gateway so the connections could prove useful for both Leisure and business (once the rail lines completed!!)

Does that mean the same number of passengers as 4 DO 328s carried with only 2 F50s?
If so it might not be so bad after all
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Yes, BUT the route is one that attracts business travellers, who demand flexibility and timings that match their meetings. With more rotations, there is more choice of flights, so if your meeting finishes early, you can catch the earlier flight back.

The problem, I think, is the timings are terrible. If you need to get to London within business hours, you will need to go to Edi to catch a flight.

It would be easy to totally blame CityJet, but some of the problem lies with LCY. It is so expensive to operate there at peak times that a Dornier, no matter how full is not viable. You need to fill a larger aircraft.

Now you have the problem, that there is a larger aircraft on the route, but because you are not operating at business friendly times, you will struggle to fill it.

Interesting to know that we regularly carry more pax then can fit in the do328.
must be doing something right

hope so for the sake of the peolpe who depend on the airport for a living.

But does the one F50 carry as many as 2 do 328s carried before the schedule changed? Are the total passengers about the same or is the route growing whith the bigger plane?
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But City Jet have have always carried fewer passengers in terms of the total numbers on the Dundee route, since they took over from ScotAirways, three or so years ago.

DND would be better served by BE to LTN or LGW.

Look at the other domestic routes tried and failed to/from LCY:-

PLY, NQY, CWL, MAN, NCL, LBA, JER

The only domectic routes that last at LCY are GLA and EDI - mainly due to VERY significant corporate traffic and large VFR markets.

DND has neither.

HIAL should be strongly courting Loganair (as BE) to operate DND - LTN.

DND - LTN! Give us a break....:ugh:

Luton is as far away from connections to central London as you could get as far as an airline passenger is concerned. It would be cheaper to travel to Edinburgh then fly to Heathrow or Gatwick and that has always been the case.
Or, alternatively, take the train.

Just because HIAL operate Dundee it doesn't mean that they can susbsidise the place in the same way that that the other "public service" airports in the group have to be.

Dundee doesn't come under that category and has to pay it's own way.

Stats
 

The Jan figures are out and the movements are down 18 % at 234 flights but the pax figures rose .1% to 4944 so perhaps not as bad as first thought
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