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Buster the Bear 6th Mar 2024 16:00

You have got to feel for Esken shareholders! From £1.62, to less than 8p per share.

I wonder how many houses you could build? Nice station for the new residents to commute from too. Terminal would make for a community facility. With private equity and venture capital in control, anything is possible, unless there is some covenant keeping an airport open?

Expressflight 6th Mar 2024 16:24


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 11610179)
You have got to feel for Esken shareholders! From £1.62, to less than 8p per share.

I wonder how many houses you could build? Nice station for the new residents to commute from too. Terminal would make for a community facility. With private equity and venture capital in control, anything is possible, unless there is some covenant keeping an airport open?

Southend City Council own the land and London Southend Airport Ltd hold a very long Lease. The terms of the Lease oblige the Leaseholder to operate the site as an airport.

jmdavies86 6th Mar 2024 16:41


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 11610179)
You have got to feel for Esken shareholders! From £1.62, to less than 8p per share.

I do wonder what state Esken may have been in today had they not chosen to oust Andrew Tinkler as their CEO - he was instrumental in leading Stobart’s transformation into a FTSE 250 listed business with a turnover of £1.6bn and 10,000 employees.

Interestingly, at an event in Carlisle last year, he said
‘I don’t think Stobart Group will last much longer’, and just under 12 months later, they're in the position they find themselves in today...?!

DC3 Dave 6th Mar 2024 17:07


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 11610179)
You have got to feel for Esken shareholders! From £1.62, to less than 8p per share.

I wonder how many houses you could build? Nice station for the new residents to commute from too. Terminal would make for a community facility. With private equity and venture capital in control, anything is possible, unless there is some covenant keeping an airport open?

You say anything is possible but it would not be easy. They could of course allow the airport to fall into a state of disrepair and wind all operations down. The council, who actually have a huge area earmarked for housing to the east of the airport, and under no real pressure to find another area soon, might eventually succumb to pressure from Carlyle rather than end up with a derelict site, but just how many years or decades would that take?

Alternatively they could use their financial strength and management expertise to make a real success of the airport and take their rewards at a time of their choosing. Seems a better option to me.

LTNman 6th Mar 2024 18:14


They could of course allow the airport to fall into a state of disrepair and wind all operations down.
That would probably save them money.


​​​​​​​Alternatively they could use their financial strength and management expertise to make a real success of the airport and take their rewards at a time of their choosing.
More of the same then?

SWBKCB 6th Mar 2024 19:37


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11610048)
Not strictly SEN-related, but I wonder how this deal affects Carlisle Lake District Airport (CAX), if at all...?!

I was up in Cumbria last week, but nobody seemed to know anything and/or were willing to even talk about it...?!

I doubt anybody there knows anything


I wonder how many houses you could build?
What was the last airport turned into housing - Croydon?

pabely 6th Mar 2024 20:05


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11610304)
What was the last airport turned into housing - Croydon?

Filton, Hatfield, unless you mean commercial airports.
Plenty of old RAF examples as well.

SWBKCB 6th Mar 2024 20:29


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11610317)
Filton, Hatfield, unless you mean commercial airports.
Plenty of old RAF examples as well.

Yes, airports, not airfields.

Whaupshank 6th Mar 2024 20:31


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 11610179)
You have got to feel for Esken shareholders! From £1.62, to less than 8p per share.

I wonder how many houses you could build? Nice station for the new residents to commute from too. Terminal would make for a community facility. With private equity and venture capital in control, anything is possible, unless there is some covenant keeping an airport open?

Buster I'm afraid your Maths are way out. The Shares were available to buy this morning at around 20 for 1 Pence or 50000 for £25. At one stage the Shares touched just under £3 but there were less Shares in issue then.

Expressflight 7th Mar 2024 06:48

I think the LTN boys on here are whistling in the wind.

I don't see Carlyle wanting to do anything other than use their funding to attract new carriers and to encourage EZY to re-open their SEN base as quickly as possible, although I'm a bit concerned regarding the shortage of airframes that the locos are suffering currently. If Carlyle can rebuild passenger numbers and revenue in this way they probably have an exit strategy in a few years. They may also have ideas on how to attract ancillary activities at SEN, to add value to the site, that have withered on the vine over the last decade or so.

LTNman 7th Mar 2024 07:38

Except Carlyle don’t run or operate any airports, they are money lenders to companies that do run and operate airports, as part of their investment portfolio. I expect them to offload Southend, as the airport will be valued at a price higher than the loans.

Expressflight 7th Mar 2024 08:07


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11610544)
Except Carlyle don’t run or operate any airports, they are money lenders to companies that do run and operate airports, as part of their investment portfolio. I expect them to offload Southend, as the airport will be valued at a price higher than the loans.

As I said "they probably have an exit strategy in a few years" but I'm sure before they do that they'll want to increase its potential sale value to considerably above what it is at present.

LTNman 7th Mar 2024 08:10

Will Esken run the airport on their behalf or will they be kicked out? If they are kicked out I suspect Carlyle will bring in another company for the day to day running.

DC3 Dave 7th Mar 2024 08:11


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11610544)
Except Carlyle don’t run or operate any airports, they are money lenders to companies that do run and operate airports, as part of their investment portfolio. I expect them to offload Southend, as the airport will be valued at a price higher than the loans.

Indeed. Carlyle may already have a buyer lined up for all we know but if that is the case it changes little. Anyone investing will need to believe they can make a success of Southend as an airport. Esken, for all their good intentions had simply run out of runway - so to speak.

I see no reason for anything other than cautious optimism right now, the future is bright and possibly orange.

MidlandsWanderer 7th Mar 2024 09:38


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11610567)
Will Esken run the airport on their behalf or will they be kicked out? If they are kicked out I suspect Carlyle will bring in another company for the day to day running.

Esken is now a defunct company with no assets. They will be wound up.

jmdavies86 7th Mar 2024 10:51


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11610304)
I doubt anybody there knows anything

Well, I'm in regular contact with a couple of the tenants up at CAX, they've said that the level of communication between Esken and them has been very little to nothing at all - they haven't even been told who the prospective buyer is(was) that was reported on publicly a few weeks back - yet members of the Council, the LEP & the local MP have all apparently been briefed - surely Esken must have a duty to keep their tenants properly informed of what's going on, no...?!


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 11610515)
I don't see Carlyle wanting to do anything other than use their funding to attract new carriers and to encourage EZY to re-open their SEN base as quickly as possible...


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 11610569)
I see no reason for anything other than cautious optimism right now, the future is bright and possibly orange.

True, the increase in flights by easyJet is certainly positive/welcomed news, and as Expressflight says above, I'm sure CGI's first priority will be to encourage them to re-open their SEN base as soon as possible.

That said, we all know that an airport cannot survive solely with just one carrier, so it will be interesting to see how/what they do differently to Esken to attract any new carrier(s).

Expressflight 7th Mar 2024 11:05


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11610567)
Will Esken run the airport on their behalf or will they be kicked out? If they are kicked out I suspect Carlyle will bring in another company for the day to day running.

As far as the commercial and operational aspects of running SEN are concerned the existing management team employed by London Southend Airport Ltd. will continue to "run the airport". As majority shareholder of LSA Carlyle will supply funding and instruct the management which paths to follow to make best use of that funding in order to achieve Carlyle's vision for SEN.

SWBKCB 7th Mar 2024 11:49


Well, I'm in regular contact with a couple of the tenants up at CAX, they've said that the level of communication between Esken and them has been very little to nothing at all - they haven't even been told who the prospective buyer is(was) that was reported on publicly a few weeks back - yet members of the Council, the LEP & the local MP have all apparently been briefed - surely Esken must have a duty to keep their tenants properly informed of what's going on, no...?!
Do they? These are the people who told the tenants the runway would be closed for re-surfacing from Monday on the Friday afternoon....

pabely 7th Mar 2024 11:56


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11610685)
That said, we all know that an airport cannot survive solely with just one carrier, so it will be interesting to see how/what they do differently to Esken to attract any new carrier(s).

Exactly, what pipeline of contacts do they have within the Industry? I suspect this will be a totally new ballgame for them with the LCCs having the upper hand to demand zero cost or incentives which does little on ROI for investors.

DC3 Dave 7th Mar 2024 12:09


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11610736)
Exactly, what pipeline of contacts do they have within the Industry? I suspect this will be a totally new ballgame for them with the LCCs having the upper hand to demand zero cost or incentives which does little on ROI for investors.

Fair enough. You have convinced me. I am going to write to all concerned and tell them they are all a.holes who do not have a clue what they are doing and advise them to send the wrecking ball crew in.


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