Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 11621014)
Gatwick is going through its DCO examination to expand. Luton is waiting a DCO decision to nearly double in size while Stansted has permission to substantially grow. So where is the constraint that will allow Southend to flourish?
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SEN as an airport will always be marginal and rely heavily on over capacity at all other London airports, very much a case of risk and reward!
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11621278)
The saying "past performance doesn't necessarily guarantee future returns" is true but it does at least show SEN as an operational success relatively recently.
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 11621422)
But not a profitable success and that's what's the issue
I wonder what would have been the result if Esken had just concentrated on EZY and RYR (although I thought the latter was a mistake). I've no knowledge of the commercial side of either of those deals but EZY had a planned four based aircraft at SEN for S2020 and without Covid where might it have gone from there I wonder. The Elizabeth Line opens up another option for travelling to SEN. For example from Ealing Broadway to Southend Airport takes around 1hr 24m and Ealing Broadway to Luton Airport Dart Station takes 1hr 20m (both making a random booking enquiry). That should extend the SEN realistic catchment area a little Westward in Greater London. |
Some more negative news for Southend, 2Excel could be back to Doncaster.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11621689)
Some more negative news for Southend, 2Excel could be back to Doncaster.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11621689)
Some more negative news for Southend, 2Excel could be back to Doncaster.
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So the airport continues its slow recovery with another step forward. The terminal is now open every day of the week. Before long we shall be able to boast that SEN is the fastest growing of all the London airports in percentage terms.
All positive I reckon. You know what they say. A flight a day keeps the bailiffs away. Or possibly not. |
Before long we shall be able to boast that SEN is the fastest growing of all the London airports in percentage terms. |
LTNman lighten up a bit. :)
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LTNMan would find it impossible to lighten up at all. He is always negative or knows better. Nearly every thread he contributes too
he does so with criticism or negativity. He is like the Daily Mail of PPRUNE. |
One passenger and then two, a 100% increase. We had this nonsense before about Southend being the fastest growing airport in the country and now is it about to start again? Growth should be shown by absolute numbers and not as a percentage. Sorry if that is being negative but the fastest growing airport can suddenly be at the end of the list depending how growth is calculated.
Personally I look forward to substantial growth at Southend to reduce the demand at Luton, as Luton will have access issues this summer. |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11621494)
The Elizabeth Line opens up another option for travelling to SEN. For example from Ealing Broadway to Southend Airport takes around 1hr 24m and Ealing Broadway to Luton Airport Dart Station takes 1hr 20m (both making a random booking enquiry). That should extend the SEN realistic catchment area a little Westward in Greater London.
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Originally Posted by ajamieson
(Post 11626383)
However, this also works in the other direction. The Elizabeth line makes it easier and quicker for SEN's core market to reach LHR, LTN etc. If the Elizabeth line is hurting LCY, imaghine what it's doing to SEN!
I doubt that many among "SEN's core market" are making a choice between SEN or LHR as their offerings are so different and the Piccadilly line has fed into LHR for years. SEN or STN/LTN is a different matter but the Elizabeth line doesn't come into the equation for either of those. LCY is only 45 minutes away from LHR on the Elizabeth line while SEN is 120 minutes away from LHR using that mode of travel so I can understand the former's unease. |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11626471)
Travelling from "SEN's core market" to LTN you wouldn't use the Elizabeth line.
I doubt that many among "SEN's core market" are making a choice between SEN or LHR as their offerings are so different and the Piccadilly line has fed into LHR for years. SEN or STN/LTN is a different matter but the Elizabeth line doesn't come into the equation for either of those. LCY is only 45 minutes away from LHR on the Elizabeth line while SEN is 120 minutes away from LHR using that mode of travel so I can understand the former's unease. |
Is Ealing Broadway or Stratford a core market for SEN?
I still can't see it pulling pax from LCY, STN, LHR or LTN unless you have an Essex postcode. Any incentive to get airlines in is going to need almost zero cost to the operator. I do hope the new owners have very deep long term pockets, I do not see things going on a big upwards trend at the moment. |
First flight to PALMA MALLORCA going out tomorrow fully booked out and back , great news for the airport so must be doing something right
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Try the booking engine in 2 weeks time once the kids are back at school, not so great reading.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11626538)
Try the booking engine in 2 weeks time once the kids are back at school, not so great reading.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11626532)
Is Ealing Broadway or Stratford a core market for SEN?
I still can't see it pulling pax from LCY, STN, LHR or LTN unless you have an Essex postcode. Any incentive to get airlines in is going to need almost zero cost to the operator. I do hope the new owners have very deep long term pockets, I do not see things going on a big upwards trend at the moment. In 2019 SEN processed 2.1m passengers. On the majority of the routes served there were alternatives at competing LON airports so people weren't using SEN grudgingly. I don't think the problem is getting people to use SEN, it's getting airlines to commit to running those routes in these times of perhaps fewer slot restrictions elsewhere and maybe the financial muscle of Carlyle will help them achieve that. |
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