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DC3 Dave 6th Jan 2024 15:23


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11569732)
Flying is not environmentally friendly. It is the opposite.

Neither is a great deal of human activity. Not really the point. You have to be seen to be green nowadays. Anyway, give some credit where credit is due, Southend Airport must have reduced its CO2 emissions more than any other London Airport in the last three years.

LTNman 6th Jan 2024 15:31

Money talks and this is all about money and nothing else. I can remember Viscounts taxiing on two engines, were they trying to save the planet back in the day when the environment was never a consideration or were they saving money?

A little bit of honesty would go along way that by saving money they will reduce the environmental damage their airline will cause but they are not environmentally friendly. If they were they would be a zero emissions airline.

davidjohnson6 6th Jan 2024 16:00

Zero emissions airlines do not and will not exist for decades. Newtonian laws mean that in a non-frictionless environment you have to expend energy to travel anywhere. We as a society have not yet managed to achieve large scale energy generating fusion reactors. (I really do hope we will succeed with fusion one day.) Fission power generation on an airplane is not being actively considered by main commercial transport vehicle manufacturers (except for a few heavy duty ice breakers taking tourists to the Arctic and Antarctic). For now, batteries to store energy from wind or hydro power are far too heavy for flights over long distances. Basic biology means that even a human being going for a stroll has higher CO2 emissions than one lying on the sofa. We're therefore stuck with carbon based energy sources for much of transport until at least 2050.

If you want zero transport emissions, it means staying in bed for the rest of your life. When you put the bed sheets in the washing machine, don't forget the CO2 you are creating. We all seek credit from our fellow humans when we do something good - it is human nature. Criticising Ascend for trying to do the right thing where they have the possibility of choice and expecting zero emissions... is frankly unrealistic. Some want to live like a Greta-inspired monk or nun. Others do not.

Expressflight 6th Jan 2024 16:06


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11569732)
Flying is not environmentally friendly. It is the opposite.

I think perhaps in my earlier post I should have described Ascent's stated efforts to improve aviation's sustainability more accurately. I have changed my wording to:
"their website states that, perhaps as part of their efforts to improve aviation's sustainability, they will suggest possible alternative departure points to clients to avoid unnecessary positioning."
They certainly don't claim in any part of the their ESG Strategy statement to be 'environmentally friendly', as obviously no aviation enterprise could claim that at present.

pabely 7th Jan 2024 13:33

Potentially more damaging for the airport is articles like this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-carlyle-group
Investors will read such things and won't bother.

Expressflight 7th Jan 2024 14:50


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11570525)
Potentially more damaging for the airport is articles like this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-carlyle-group
Investors will read such things and won't bother.

That's been common knowledge since the end of September 2023.

pabely 7th Jan 2024 17:01

Not saying it wasn't but to keep coming up in National & Financial press is going to make it a continuous struggle.

stewyb 11th Jan 2024 12:28

Good grief, airport promoting a price drop already on Aeroitalia seats!

SWBKCB 11th Jan 2024 12:42

Introductory offers for a new flight? Normal practice surely. :=

stewyb 11th Jan 2024 12:47


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11573842)
Introductory offers for a new flight? Normal practice surely. :=

6 weekly on a 738 seems like madness

DC3 Dave 11th Jan 2024 16:29


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11573847)
6 weekly on a 738 seems like madness


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11573837)
Good grief, airport promoting a price drop already on Aeroitalia seats!

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect?
What-a you t'ink you do, why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place
Ah shaddap-a you face!

Sotonsean 11th Jan 2024 21:38


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 11574027)
What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect?
What-a you t'ink you do, why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place
Ah shaddap-a you face!

I hope that he can relate to your rendition of the 1981 novelty song "Shaddap You Face" by the American/Italian singer Joe Dolce.

Barling Magna 12th Jan 2024 10:02

Lots of Italians want to visit London, I'm sure.

Expressflight 12th Jan 2024 13:28


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11573837)
Good grief, airport promoting a price drop already on Aeroitalia seats!

That was pre-planned I believe.

pabely 12th Jan 2024 18:44


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 11574520)
Lots of Italians want to visit London, I'm sure.

As Cirium notes, in January 2023 there are 813 options to travel from Milan to London. Let's hope there is space to accept another 24+

LTNman 17th Jan 2024 20:39

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/240...extra-flights/

Markushillman 17th Jan 2024 21:30


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11578161)

Must have sold extremely well, good to see for the airport no matter how small of an increase

jmdavies86 23rd Jan 2024 07:03

Further update on the legal action being taken by Carlyle Global Investment:

https://tools.eurolandir.com/tools/P...wpf&v=redesign


LSA has subsequently received notification that CGI is alleging a number of further breaches by LSA with respect to the convertible loan agreement and that CGI has issued an acceleration notice to LSA, demanding repayment of the loan in the amount of £193.75 million by 16 February 2024. The convertible loan has a maturity date of August 2028. There have been no payment defaults by LSA in relation to the convertible loan agreement and LSA cashflow has been in line with expectations. Esken and LSA are investigating the validity of the alleged breaches in conjunction with advisers.

LTNman 23rd Jan 2024 08:14

Same story as above but with newspaper spin.
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-b1134093.html


The future of Southend Airport has been plunged into uncertainty after its owner Esken faced demands to urgently repay a near £200-million loan, the firm warned today.

If unpaid, the convertible loan will turn into equity and could allow Carlyle to mount a takeover of the airport.
Seems to me that this is the plan

AirportPlanner1 23rd Jan 2024 13:35

The airport newsletter says there is a one-off 4-day charter to Sønderborg in Denmark in August. Curiously it’s only bookable through an Isle of Man travel agent, assume perhaps there is some other inbound charter linked to it.


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