Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11567179)
Aeroitalia at Heathrow did not go well. Are we sure it's going to work at Southend ?
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11567225)
Of course we aren't sure it will be a success and no doubt the usual posters will be fervently hoping it won't be.
I've used SEN many times, despite not living in Essex. I want SEN to remain a commercial airport not become office space. I wish Southend well. Really, I do. However, based on the past, there's reason to be sceptical on Aeroitalia at Southend. |
Originally Posted by Markushillman
(Post 11567222)
Advertisement will be key for this one, as most people will automatically go and book Ryanair from Stansted. Hopefully Aeroitalia at least give it time, although they have been a bit chop and change with routes since their launch and still seem a bit up in the air. Hopefully will be a success. Although like many, I'm skeptical how long this lasts.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11567240)
They are hardly unique in chopping and changing routes. I would imagine they are significantly better known in Italy, and may well attract an inbound market.
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11567237)
Cutting multiple routes at LHR after less than a month is unusual at best. I've flown with Aeroitalia a few times last year - even on trunk routes like Rome-Milan, aircraft have been very empty. Aeroitalia last year had an extremely high churn rate of routes - made Ryanair look as patient as a saint. They outsource some flying to subsidiary Air Connect - an airline whose last minute flight cancellation rate was extraordinarily high last year, even when the weather was good.
I've used SEN many times, despite not living in Essex. I want SEN to remain a commercial airport not become office space. I wish Southend well. Really, I do. However, based on the past, there's reason to be sceptical on Aeroitalia at Southend. |
Seems they operate the 738 and would imagine it will be rather dense for this route, could understand more if an E70/90
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Wow, did not see this coming at all. Assume the other two routes would be Rome and Comiso given the former obviously is a solid city break destination and the latter lacks a London route since Ryanair stopped.
One thing in Bergamo’s favour is its proximity to Lakes Como and Garda which will be a selling point to Essex’s holidaymakers. A little sceptical of longevity however. |
Originally Posted by Markushillman
(Post 11567250)
Indeed, although they will definitely need an outbound market too for this to be a success. Looks at the minute just the one route for Southend.
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 11567313)
Wow, did not see this coming at all. Assume the other two routes would be Rome and Comiso given the former obviously is a solid city break destination and the latter lacks a London route since Ryanair stopped.
One thing in Bergamo’s favour is its proximity to Lakes Como and Garda which will be a selling point to Essex’s holidaymakers. A little sceptical of longevity however. |
Great news for Southend. Bergamo as an example is a great city break destination. The airport is close to Bergamo, I was there this year and loved the place. Let's hope they have some good tactics to land their brand to the catchment that is around SEN and with some luck they'll attract some good London inbound business from Italy.
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Bergamo is also marketed as MILAN (Bergamo) as an entry point for Milan....especially by Ryanair. It should do well.
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Originally Posted by Jamesair1
(Post 11567887)
Bergamo is also marketed as MILAN (Bergamo) as an entry point for Milan....especially by Ryanair. It should do well.
The airport markets itself as Milan Bergamo https://www.milanbergamoairport.it/en/ |
Start up airline Ascend Airways, fronted by ex Titan Airways MD Alastair Willson son of Titan founder Gene Willson, will station aircraft at SEN as well as previously indicated at LGW. It's expected that initial crew training will also be carried out at SEN. Their first aircraft will be B738-82R-W G-HODL, ex LY-BUS.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11569156)
Start up airline Ascend Airways, fronted by ex Titan Airways MD Alastair Willson son of Titan founder Gene Willson, will station aircraft at SEN as well as previously indicated at LGW. It's expected that initial crew training will also be carried out at SEN. Their first aircraft will be B738-82R-W G-HODL, ex LY-BUS.
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
(Post 11569473)
Certainly has been a lively start to the year for SEN. The Italian job and now another two aircraft to be based here.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11569632)
All jobs on LinkedIn show LGW based. Is the SEN connection only cheap parking when waiting for next job? Obviously if they get some good contracts, will anything actually run through SEN?
On a slightly more serious note, On the Ascend website it makes a clear statement: Aircraft based at Gatwick and Southend. It does not state anything about cheap (slightly embarrassing) temporary parking at the latter. |
Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11569632)
All jobs on LinkedIn show LGW based. Is the SEN connection only cheap parking when waiting for next job? Obviously if they get some good contracts, will anything actually run through SEN?
Ascend are also not just offering ACMI services but ad hoc charter capacity as well where this aspect may come more into play. |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11569687)
This is just a thought and I have no evidence to back it up but their website states that, due to their environmentally friendly credentials, they will suggest possible alternative departure points to clients to avoid unnecessary positioning. If they had operational bases at SEN and LGW that policy would be easier to apply for the LON market.
Ascend are also not just offering ACMI services but ad hoc charter capacity as well where this aspect may come more into play. |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 11569687)
This is just a thought and I have no evidence to back it up but their website states that, due to their environmentally friendly credentials. .
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 11569732)
Flying is not environmentally friendly. It is the opposite.
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