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DC3 Dave 6th Oct 2022 10:14

You wanted Alicante, we're giving you a... PUMPKIN CARVING COMPETITION! 🎃

Not quite the same thing (we're sorry) but here's to some fun this Halloween season.


The above is from the airport’s Twitter feed. Is it me, or are they losing the plot.

SWBKCB 6th Oct 2022 10:18

I refer you to my post #710... :eek:

FRatSTN 6th Oct 2022 10:39


The above is from the airport’s Twitter feed. Is it me, or are they losing the plot.
They've already lost the plot I think it's fair to say. How is the airport going to survive winter without a single scheduled commercial flight, then shouting on a near daily basis about a single route they seem to portray as the airports saviour - Madness!

LTNman 6th Oct 2022 10:51

It was a flawed (floored) business model, based on the principles of airport of last resort. It doesn’t mean SEN can’t succeed, it just means it will be harder when there is capacity around London.

pabely 6th Oct 2022 11:27


Originally Posted by AirLCY (Post 11308871)
They sold some (perhaps all) to Wizz at LTN

Rechecked ACL and I agree now, dropped off spreadsheets. Something else interesting noted but will not post here as has no reference to SEN.

LTNman 7th Oct 2022 08:52

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/230...d-next-summer/

So the same as this year then. There will come a point when the Blackpool solution will be implemented.

Does SEN still have any active flying clubs or were they booted out to make way for the airliners?

DC3 Dave 7th Oct 2022 09:08


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11309518)
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/230...d-next-summer/

So the same as this year then. There will come a point where the Blackpool solution will be implemented.


Not the same. AGP reduced to 4 X week from 6. Faro has increased from 2 X week to 4 September only. No flights currently on Tuesdays or Saturdays. So when you said in a previous post it is a floored business model you are literally correct IMO. Whether it is fair to say it was flawed prior to Covid is another debate.


SKOJB 7th Oct 2022 09:22

One slight glimmer of hope I guess is that new EZY routes are usually announced separate to seasonal schedules!

Expressflight 7th Oct 2022 15:09


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11309006)
It was a flawed (floored) business model, based on the principles of airport of last resort.

It's not far off the mark to say that SEN was largely an airport of last resort up to Spring 2020 as the Covid years showed. I don't think the business model was flawed though as I don't remember anyone then thinking or suggesting that the paucity of slots at other LON airports was likely to end any time soon, until Covid struck out of the blue. It's true to say that SEN had the least resilience to any serious traffic downturn and the results of that weakness are clear to see and due to totally unforeseeable factors.

All this talk of ALC, will they or won't they, is laughable and make zero difference to SEN's prospects either way.


AirportPlanner1 7th Oct 2022 16:08

It looks as though there will be a new route announcement, perhaps AMS (despite what I said before) or JER. Unless anyone has any other suggestions as to why FAO arrives at 16:30 and departs at 20:15?

DC3 Dave 7th Oct 2022 17:02


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11309716)
It looks as though there will be a new route announcement, perhaps AMS (despite what I said before) or JER. Unless anyone has any other suggestions as to why FAO arrives at 16:30 and departs at 20:15?

Great to see someone’s on the ball and dealing with facts. A lot of emotion on here at the moment.

Expressflight 7th Oct 2022 17:21


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11309716)
It looks as though there will be a new route announcement, perhaps AMS (despite what I said before) or JER. Unless anyone has any other suggestions as to why FAO arrives at 16:30 and departs at 20:15?

Very well spotted Airport Planner1.

My money would be on JER. I cannot see any point in operating SEN-AMS twice a week.

AirportPlanner1 7th Oct 2022 17:49


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 11309747)
Very well spotted Airport Planner1.

My money would be on JER. I cannot see any point in operating SEN-AMS twice a week.

It rises to 4x weekly in Sep, although perhaps the schedule will be further revised. Thinking about it due to Brexit it would be AMS. I’m not sure they could do JER on an EU reg?

DC3 Dave 7th Oct 2022 18:43


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11309757)
It rises to 4x weekly in Sep, although perhaps the schedule will be further revised. Thinking about it due to Brexit it would be AMS. I’m not sure they could do JER on an EU reg?


You could be right - I haven’t a scoobie. Worth pointing out though that Jersey has never been part of the EU neither is it in the UK.

TartinTon 7th Oct 2022 21:31


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11309716)
It looks as though there will be a new route announcement, perhaps AMS (despite what I said before) or JER. Unless anyone has any other suggestions as to why FAO arrives at 16:30 and departs at 20:15?

You can't get an AMS in that gap.

AirportPlanner1 8th Oct 2022 06:20


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 11309843)
You can't get an AMS in that gap.

Yes you can, easily. Eg:

Arr: 16:30
SEN-AMS: 17:00-19:05
AMS-SEN: 19:45-19:45
Dep: 20:15


Expressflight 8th Oct 2022 06:59

[QUOTE= I’m not sure they could do JER on an EU reg?[/QUOTE]

I don't think it would be Cabotage (which would almost certainly not be permitted) as Jersey is not a part of the UK but has a separate international identity. I'm guessing that SEN-JER-SEN would operate within Fifth Freedom rules under easyJet's EU AOC, although things may be different nowadays.

pabely 8th Oct 2022 14:16


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11309944)
Yes you can, easily. Eg:

Arr: 16:30
SEN-AMS: 17:00-19:05
AMS-SEN: 19:45-19:45
Dep: 20:15

Looking at the three EZY flights yesterday, SEN handling will have to up their game to turn around in 30mins.
AMS if it has to go via a remote runway would never make 40 mins turnaround either, more like 60-70 mins in AMS on a good day.

Expressflight 8th Oct 2022 16:27

[QUOTE AMS if it has to go via a remote runway would never make 40 mins turnaround either, more like 60-70 mins in AMS on a good day.[/QUOTE]

I agree that a 30 mins turnround in AMS could be problematical but EZY are scheduling 30 mins at AMS for next summer.

LTNman 8th Oct 2022 16:43

Article from September but still relevant.

Painful to report but SEN is by far Europe’s worst performing airport in terms of Covid recovery, when compared to 350 airports.

https://travelradar.aero/british-air...ecovery-rates/


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