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Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 11307349)
Thought it was only 8 738s this summer with the 9th dropping in for the school holiday season from EDI ?
I am not sure if the 8 will increase to 9 outside of that period but I’m sure there’ll be someone closer to it than I am that can confirm. |
Jet2 really nipping at the heels of TUI UK now - amazing that such a huge multinational company could allow this to happen - well done to Jet2! With no new bases on the horizon could we see W flights to unserved UK airports to further close the gap on TUI?
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tour...-atol-renewals Jet2holidays closed the gap on Tui UK in the latest round of Atol renewals to leave the big-two groups almost neck and neck for the title of UK’s biggest tour operator. Tui remains the UK number one with a licence for 5,336,410 public sales over the 12 months to September 2023, up from about 5.1 million this summer. But Jet2holidays is now only just behind with an Atol for exactly 5.3 million public sales, barely 36,000 behind Tui, an increase from 4.656 million this summer and from 3.8 million in the spring. More: Jet2 and Jet2holidays raise capacity to Greece Jet2 boss hails package holidays as right for ‘challenging economic times’ Tui to increase winter flights from UK to Barbados The latest renewal sees Jet2holidays surpass its previous highest Atol total of 4.8 million in the March 2020 renewals which proved impossible to fulfil because of the Covid-19 pandemic. However, Tui UK is also licensed for additional Atol-protected sales. Tui cruise line Marella Cruises is licensed for 245,715, and Tui UK is licensed for 177,661 Atol-to-Atol sales – taking its total Atol licence numbers to 5,759,786. Together, the big two anticipate carrying more than 11 million Atol-protected holidaymakers over the coming winter and next summer in a show of confidence in the UK market. On the Beach with an Atol for 1,863,023 sales, We Love Holidays with 1,854,038 and easyJet Holidays with 1,294,465 make up the top-five licence holders. On the Beach has increased its licence by more than 600,000 compared to the Atol it held for summer 2020 and We Love Holidays grown by almost 800,000. Atol numbers can vary over the course of a licensing period, but a significant variation must be signed off by the regulator, the CAA. Commenting on Tui’s Atol increase, Tui UK and Ireland managing director Andrew Flintham told Travel Weekly: “It’s really positive. The industry is back. We’re seeing growth across all our destinations. “Despite a lot of gloom about the economic future, it’s clear that people still value their holidays and we have great confidence and solid forward bookings.” Jet2 and Jet2holidays chief executive Steve Heapy said the company’s focus was not on being the biggest Atol holder, but added its ongoing strong performance allowed it to continue to increase its licence. More: Jet2 and Jet2holidays raise capacity to Greece Jet2 boss hails package holidays as right for ‘challenging economic times’ Tui to increase winter flights from UK to Barbados |
I think Jet2 would easily overtake TUI if they were to introduce a longhaul holiday problem.
im not saying now is the right time or that they are set up to do it, It’s just an opinion. |
Jet2 Summer 2024 on sale
Sumner 2024 went on sale this morning.
Newcastle to Chania in Crete is new. 1 x weekly Thursday flight. Will update once more routes are announced |
Originally Posted by SJL26779
(Post 11311648)
Sumner 2024 went on sale this morning.
Newcastle to Chania in Crete is new. 1 x weekly Thursday flight. Will update once more routes are announced One thing is certain, no matter how small the deposit is, there is no way I would give any business any of my hard earned cash up to two years before I use their service. That money is better in my bank than theirs! |
2 years ahead is a long time to be making a commitment for an airline. Between now and April 2023, ie the main summer booking season, there's a huge amount of information to be gained by analysing customer behaviour patterns - ie where pax use their credit cards, as well as looking at how the economic and political situation develops. In return for the cashflow, Jet2 is committing itself (or risking annoying pax by making changes to their booking)
Does the winter cashflow outweigh these risks, constraints and other gaps in knowledge ? |
Does the winter cashflow outweigh these risks, constraints and other gaps in knowledge ? |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11311741)
Guess so, or they wouldn't be doing it.
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 11311823)
Yet FlyBe, Monarch etc did similar?
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11311696)
What? Summer 2022 hasn't yet wrapped up. Of course releasing a program 18 months ahead is little but a naked (and clearly successful) ruse to get extra cashflow during the winter season but, really nobody knows where we'll be in July 2024, a fair few of us will likely be no longer here at all, many will have lost their jobs, some others become divorced or separated and I'm not being morbid there, just realistic.
One thing is certain, no matter how small the deposit is, there is no way I would give any business any of my hard earned cash up to two years before I use their service. That money is better in my bank than theirs! |
The other way of looking at it is that the deposit is only £60 per person and it will then fix the price of your holiday for 2024. You can bet the longer you wait, the more prices will increase. Just my view!
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 11311823)
Yet FlyBe, Monarch etc did similar?
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Jet2 Summer 2024
7 UK bases have been released so far.
Belfast International, Bristol, Edinburgh, East Midlands, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford and Newcastle International Airports. The new routes from the seven bases on sale today are as follows: • Bristol– new weekly services to Izmir • Bristol– brand-new weekly services to Bourgas (Bulgaria) • Bristol– new weekly services to Costa de Almeria • Bristol– brand-new twice weekly services to Naples • East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Crete (Chania) • East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Naples • Newcastle International– brand-new weekly flights to Crete (Chania) |
Shame there's still no Gatwick..
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Originally Posted by SJL26779
(Post 11312354)
7 UK bases have been released so far.
Belfast International, Bristol, Edinburgh, East Midlands, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford and Newcastle International Airports. The new routes from the seven bases on sale today are as follows: • Bristol– new weekly services to Izmir • Bristol– brand-new weekly services to Bourgas (Bulgaria) • Bristol– new weekly services to Costa de Almeria • Bristol– brand-new twice weekly services to Naples • East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Crete (Chania) • East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Naples • Newcastle International– brand-new weekly flights to Crete (Chania) They will then not operate for S23. And return for S24. Is this a case of making out "new" routes are "new" when in fact they are not? :ugh: |
Is this a case of making out "new" routes are "new" when in fact they are not? |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11312229)
Did they? and what's that got to do with what Jet2 do, and have been doing successfully?
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 11312432)
Risking cashflow in very unpredictable times, its only 2022…But of course Jet2 can do no wrong…
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 11312432)
Risking cashflow in very unpredictable times, its only 2022…But of course Jet2 can do no wrong…
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money |
Selling holidays early at a lot higher prices and securing the higher yield/margins? sounds like common sense to me :)
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