As long as they keep Jess Glynne away from ABZ..... ;)

”Wee darling, haud ma haund.” 😆

Good July
 

Jet2 were the only UK airline not to cancel a flight in July.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co..../20603858.amp/

Fatigue Concerns
 

Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp

Oh I can see it they want the airline shut down and all holidays cancelled

Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...

Depends on your meaning of "hissy fit" - the article says:

Doesn't seem too unreasonable an approach from a union to respond to requests from its members?

It rather depends on whether the union has majority support to start throwing its weight around. And one might also ask how the state of the general “relationships” are between BALPA and Jet2 😜

you have completely missed the point, why were you fatigued?

I think that's none of your business.

If it was due to family and personal circumstances preventing you resting it isn’t. If it was due to rostering practises then in view of the topic it might be of legitimate interest.

I’m with Chesty on this one.

I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.

I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.

The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.

We’re our own worst enemy !

Emergency Landing
 

This sounds quite distressing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/u...woman-27737124

I think the point is though, that the company isn't willing to take advice from experienced professionals in the field of fatigue nor invest in the software to actively look at the roster to identify potentially fatiguing duty blocks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify that a duty on day one checking in around 0500z then a duty on day 2 checking out at 0200z on day 3 is probably going to be a fatiguing change. Why should it be down to a crew member to highlight this, or report fatigued - it should be captured before ever reaching the active roster.

Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response

They are not trained in restraint techniques. If they attempted to physically restrain a passenger and something untoward resulted, they'd be out with the company SOPs and probably left to face subsequent legal action themselves.

Obviously you were there to help out. ?

What a stupid comment to make and not knowing the full story and what crew were involved in the incident i suggest you refrain from posting comments like this

I thought the Air Navigation Order exists to give crew very strong powers to do whatever seems necessary at the time, especially post 9/11 ?

If I may rephrase my point, if it's a personal issue you call in sick, but if you are fatigued due poor rostering or unforeseen circumstances then it's not a personal issue is it?

A totally unjust statement.

For a start, there are inconsistences with what is/was being reported, and what the video shows. Agreed, the passenger is behaving in an unacceptable manner towards a cabin crew member and another passenger. Given the stature female staff involved, and the abuse she was subjected to, I applaud her efforts to remain calm. I wasn’t there but it does appear that a fellow passenger intervened to alleviate the situation. However, I feel there is more to this incident than journalism and social media are enabling constructive comment to be made.

It was a serious incident necessitating a divert to offload the offending passenger. I for one am prepared to wait for an official outcome, before falling foul of casting ill-informed judgment.

An interesting point. I’m sure there have been incidents reported on this forum of cabin staff restraining passengers, just like there have been of passengers doing likewise. Supper is ready; therefore, research is on hold.