Jet2-6
 

Summer 22 now on sale from BFS, BHX, EDI, EMA, GLA, NCL and STN.

Looks as though every base sees a reduction compared to what Summer 21 currently looks like. EMA and GLA would seem particularly hard hit, possibly even warrents a reduced based fleet?

I'd guess some of the city routes are yet to go on sale, but nontheless those frequency cuts are still quite widespread across all routes/bases.

Maybe Jet2 just playing it cautiously for now? Obviously very early days and a lot could change by then.

S22 is still a long way away, even more so in the current climate.

Just a thought but perhaps it’s a result of 733/757 fleets being smaller/gone by S22, and they may also not have factored in any leased-in capacity as of yet as they probably want to be more cautious?

As I said, just something that came to mind, but may be completely wrong. Frankly S21 is still massively in doubt so I think everything needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Hopefully though, by S22 we can get back to more normality and levels closer to S19.

Ultimately though, this pandemic is not only a health one, but also an economic one, and the true impact of the latter is still very much yet to be felt.

I can’t imagine it’s all gone on sale yet, it’s more than 18 months away.

Plus everyone is expecting 2022 to be better than 2021, so I wouldn’t expect reductions from 21 to 22.

Unless Jet2 know something we don’t!

I'm told initial plan only, with "more to come" in the future. Makes sense as we see how leisure travel recovers.

You have to ask, is anyone seriously going to commit to summer 2022 when nobody knows what their employment situation is likely to be, even more so than normal, not does anyone really know where we will be in relation to covid-19, not the mention the fallout from Brexit. I know that for some people a holiday is an extremely important part of their lives, but seriously, committing to spend nearly 2 years down the line you have got to be either an eternal optimist, of just plain foolhardy.

From the company perspective I would imagine they are very much relying on plenty of optimists or fools to boost cashflow since there will have been precious little of the positive variety from the summer just gone.

Sorry, but that is nonsense and far too general. As much as a good proportion will not know their financial status, many will, be that those in good jobs or those that are retired. Even for those who are nervous of the future, putting a deposit on an holiday which doesn’t have to be paid for for a long time (and can be cancelled before final payment) would be a welcome boost to their outlook and would be low risk.

I would say foolhardy should be reserved for those who will fully spend knowing they will not be able to afford it....

I would imagine that as Tui have started to put their summer 22 programme on sale, Jet2 would have felt they had little option but to follow suit.

(G-HLYA)
 

Now due QLA - DGX tomorrow for onward storage.

From what I understand it's going to DGX for MX with Caerdav prior to joining LS. What happens to it post storage is a different matter.

OE-IOJ is due to join it from SNN tomorrow.

Answers on a postcard to...…..

Both are joining the fleet. J2 have retained the crews for the 3 A321's. They have also purchased outright an Airbus simulator which will be living in LGW until space becomes available in Bradford.

Meanwhile, OE-IDQ (set to become G-HLYG) is reported to be going to the new Vietravel Airlines?

What do Jet 2 use down to Madeira, as Mrs Mac maybe on it soon for a break on Sat ? Not sure if I will be able to make it yet, so I may fly from Europe later

On a Standard Winter 738 with a 75 from MAN on I think Monday. I suspect only the -800 will be going down to FNC for the foreseeable.

FNC 738
 

Could they not use 2x738 rather than 1x738 and 1 757. More chance of running 2 flights to FNC on 738. It will depend if enough pax for 2 aircraft i suppose.

i think the poster means a B738 from all other bases and flights apart from a Monday when the B757 flies from MAN on a normal winter however this year it is all B738 at the minute due to the B733/752’s all being stored.

All
Thanks for all the input 737 800 it is having checked seating. Looks like I will be flying from Europe - she,s not pleased about that, will have to carry her own bag :ouch:

Actually made Man flight which was full apart from 3 seats. Crew did well and top marks to Funchal airport on testing. We had both been tested before travelling so no que but thy are doing very well. But boy it is quiet here !! Return flight showing 60 passengers next weekend currently.

Jet2/Holidays state have refunded £1bn+ to customers since the beginning of the pandemic.

Has however won them plaudits from the CAA & money websites.

Three B737s left MAN for TFS this afternoon within 30 minutes. RYR & TOM took just under 4 hrs whereas EXS took 4.5 hours. The RYR & TOM went the direct route over Devon and Northwest Spain whilst the EXS went over Ireland and into oceanic airspace south to Madeira. Is avoiding French & Spanish ATC fees really worth the saving compared to an extra 30mins fuel. Jet2 seem to use this route more than most especially from Northern airports within the UK

I believe it is only done in the hope of getting a mention on Pprune :rolleyes:

Playamar2

TOM/TUI have just announced losses of USD 3.8 billion. They've received 3 billion in help from the German taxpayer. I'm sure Jet2 would happily fly more expensive routings if you're happy to donate a chunk of your salary in taxes to help them do it? :D

Playamar2

The short answer is that yes, there is often a cost saving from a longer routing but avoiding overflying more expensive countries.

Airlines have software that will provide the true cost of a sector on various routings, taking account of fuel and aircraft costs, wind conditions and overflight charges. The flight planner often will have to balance the reduced cost against any impact to on time performance with longer flight times. The savings on the oceanic routing down to the Canaries can be huge.

But this also applies to the whole of Europe, flying to/from places like Greece, Cyprus and Turkey airlines will often fly slightly longer routings over cheaper countries to save overall cost.

This isn’t a new thing, the airline I worked for 15 years ago was doing it using software supplied by Jeppesen.

Jet2 have just cancelled all flights from its London Stansted base up until February 2021.

Includes routes to Antalya, Funchal, Tenerife, Las Palmas, Arrecife & Fuerteventura.

How are airlines so sure that even if there were no covid-related problems, flights into 2021 from/to UK would go smoothly without a Brexit deal in sight, literally days before the end of the year? Or would there be another extension on talks EU-UK talks?

Although "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed", there are a huge number of measures in non-controversial areas that have been signed off that can be put into place at short notice.

LBIA

If we’re honest with ourselves that suspension will extend to all bases within days and will most likely last into March or April

mariofly12

The EU is more than just Paris and Berlin. The UK tourist supply contributes massively to the economies of the Southern EU states. If Merkel and Macron pulled that trick they’d further fragment the Union at a time when the COVID crisis is stoking nationalist sentiments.

So it wouldn’t be good for either party. I think if a no-deal was really what either side wanted or were prepared for, it would have happened last week.

The problem with the southern resort argument is we’ve heard it all before with German car manufacturers and Italian Prosecco and so far both are leaving it rather late to pipe up. So much so the German car manufacturers aren’t even back at work until post Jan 1st.

extended already - all departures cancelled until 6th Jan at minute

JET2 SHOWS SUMMER 2021 CONFIDENCE WITH 135 MORE FLIGHTS TO GREECE Jet2 has added 135 extra flights to Greece next summer in response to “continued demand”.

The additions will be from Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds Bradford and Stansted airports. Extra services will operate to Corfu, Kefalonia, Crete (Heraklion), Kos, Santorini, Rhodes and Zante.

The biggest increase is from Birmingham, where there are 60 extra weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Heraklion, Kos and Rhodes.

From Manchester there are another 50 weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Santorini, Zante and Kos.

Leeds Bradford will boast 18 additional services to Kefalonia and Kos, while Stansted will see six additional services added to Zante in response to demand.

The capacity hike comes after Jet2 recently revealed Bristol as its 10th UK base.

“The launch of a new UK base for summer 21, followed by this Greek expansion, demonstrates the company’s confidence and underlines its long-term strategy to become the UK’s leading leisure travel business,” Jet2 said.

Steve Heapy, Jet2.com and Jet2holidays chief executive, added: “Customers are telling us that flights and holidays to Greece are very much in demand for summer 21.

“As ever, we have responded quickly to that demand by adding more seats and holidays on sale to seven fantastic Greek destinations, and we know that they will be extremely popular

'Gutsiest move I ever saw'

Jet2 have just announced its suspended its scheduled flights programme & cancelled all Jet2holidays bookings up until March 25th, 2021.

https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/...on-to-march-25

Daft.

I think if I had a holiday booked in March, I’d be taking that refund and giving it straight to a competitor. Did they not learn from the October half term Canaries debacle?

I am sure they know what is best for the company.
1, you can’t travel unless essential and when will that end ?
current figures are worse than March/April last year to Jet2 are looking forward and comparing and have decided that it is unlikely to get the go ahead before end of March and that’s what the government were hinting at yesterday.

2, all the flights and holidays will mostly be running at a loss so better to ground everything instead

3 I bet nobody is booking any flights or holidays to depart before March now until the ban is lifted.

I expect the other operators to follow

As HH6702 says - what would you do, if as chief commercial officer in an airline, you expected flights to go out with a 30% load factor and pax with tickets having paid bargain basement fares, AND you had a perfect excuse to cancel a swathe of loss-making scheduled flights without the CAA getting upset ? Would you really let the flight carry on or would you instead try to save the company's fast dwindling cash reserves in the hope of a better chance of the airline's long term survival ?

Vokes, you could take your refund to whoever you like but I can tell you now none of us are going anywhere in March, and probably not April either for that matter.

Interesting, given that I read on another thread that all their crews are going back to 100% salaries in April - I wonder if they might be reconsidering that offer.

Knew I’d get a few nibbles from the Jet2 fan club.

So when we get to March 1st and very few people are dying because of

1. 8-10 weeks of lockdown depending on which part of the country you’re in
2. Those that are in the categories that have accounted for 90% of deaths have all been vaccinated 2-3 weeks previous

Is going abroad really going to be banned? And even if it is, and what I’ve said above happens, a growing number will be bending the rules to suit their own needs, and Jet2 will be losing these customers to other airlines, just like when they cancelled all Spanish holidays and the Canaries opened up for October half term. Compliance is only achieved if the public believe the rules are necessary. People are still boarding flights to Cancun and the Maldives, even now.

Im not sure other airlines will be following suit anytime soon. Cancelling all flights 10 weeks in advance is daft. End of story.

I've just looked at Ryanair's schedules between London / Manchester to the Canary islands.
There are a few flights in the next few days - likely to ensure people can get back home and avoid EU261 penalties - prices look to be priced very cheaply - a four hour flight from Stansted to Lanzarote in 2 days time is being sold for £4 more than APD
After the coming weekend, there are a very small number of flights at half-term in mid-February. I should stress *very small number*.
Otherwise, Ryanair are not returning to the UK - Canary Islands market until the end of March, 10 weeks away

It looks as if Ryanair has very little confidence in what in normal years should be a high demand leisure route during the winter. Ryanair have cancelled almost all flights between the UK and Canary Islands for 10 weeks. I don't believe that Jet2 can magically make a route profitable when rivals see largely red ink