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totally get it. Jet 2 have the supply and demand.

if only SHH and ,Cape Verde started a week earlier….

Agreed. Sometimes the schedule makes no sense and it would have made sense to have SSH, at the very least, to be starting but it’s the summer/winter changeover.

You cannot underestimate people’s willingness to travel to other bases now though - the likes of Manchester etc. Let’s be honest, leisure travel is no longer anywhere near as cheap as it has been in the past, especially in the school holidays, and the prices charged especially from NCL are now becoming unaffordable for many. I’d say this is one of NCL’s biggest challenges moving forward along with not having the space in the summer to expand the base.

Yeah it’s awful.

I’m responding from the beach at Agios Nikolaos, todays the worst day we’ve had. It’s 27 degrees and scattered cloud, I’ve only had 5 cans of Mythos and I’m miserable.

Don’t get me started on Chania over the weekend. 34 quid for the flight from Newcastle. Absolute rip off. And 29 degrees every day. Sunny. Too hot. Terrible. Wish we hadn’t come.

Getting the ferry to Rhodes on Saturday, I expect it’ll be just as crap. Everyone else must be of the same mind considering the last 3 flights back in November are sold out.

Sarcasm aside, we fly back ATH-RHO-EDI on 7th November and it was £80 each. Fantastic time to be over here. We didn’t expect the weather but we got it. And we aren’t jostling for space on the beach. I wish we could have flown back into NCL, and always would given the choice, but we miss the last Aegean and Jet2 wanted £300 so EDI won (even though it’s a toilet)

TUI are much more regimented and Jet2 far more flexible, it’s just the way they operate and it works for them.

Your average holidaymakers don’t base their destination on anything other than price or availability. So if you wanna go away in half term. You go where the planes go. Or if you’re bothered about WHERE you go, you find a route there. As we have. Simple as that.

“but thankfully for those visiting this year it will be better” 😉

Agreed regarding Aegean though, I’m looking at travelling to Heraklion from NCL during May half-term and it’s looking like it’s going to be £300 cheaper per person, it’s incredible.

Personally, I don’t know how NCL is seeing growth and I cannot see it growing much further given it’s mainly leisure. As I mentioned previously, prices are crazy and charging a family over £1k per person for a week down in Tenerife is crazy.

Jet2 keep their based aircraft where they are almost all year round at all their bases so they have to find something for them to do for longer so that really explains why they extend their seasons and if it works good for them. TUI shift aircraft around during winter as they fly to places Jet2 dont, Two different models and both seem happy with them its not just Newcastle where TUI stop flying to Greece etc in October its almost every base.

How many airports aren't mainly leisure?

Most are. I didn’t say they weren’t.

Newcastle’s problem is that we only have FR competing on mainly the Spanish routes with Jet2. Other airports benefit from not having a monopoly controlling the market for the area and setting high prices.

My personal opinion is we could really benefit from A) EasyJet returning and basing an aircraft or B) Ryanair basing another couple of aircraft. Unfortunately, neither likely to happen IMO.

A 5 a/c TUI base isn't insignificant - I would have thought that if RYR believed that Jet2 were making monopoly profits at NCL they would be after them like a rat up a drainpipe. Similarly there is no reason why EZY couldn't be doing a lot more non-based flying rather than the handful of Palma's a week.

Having a slight smile here, I’ve suggested TUI could extend their summer programme by a week (and Ryanair start Milan a week earlier next year) to accommodate school holidays and virtually been blasted for it from all angles. then the chat turns to new based aircraft! I think mine is the cheaper option 😹

anyway I’m sure if London or the South west had half term in the first week of November the TUI programme would reflect this!

I’ll get my coat this time and say no more!

You’re smiling over an opinion on whether TUI should stay an extra week at a base? You clearly have no understanding of how airlines work, dynamic pricing, revenue management etc.

If you have less supply but more demand prices go up. If you have demand that is less than supply (seats) prices will go down. More supply with less demand brings prices down. What don’t you understand?

I am no fan of TUI’s business model but right now you’re trying to bait people and talk about something you know absolutely nothing about.

I never understand why Jet2 don’t offer more flights to ski destinations if their aircraft are under utilised in winter months. One flight a week is no good for people who want a long weekend skiing. Newcastle could easily sustain 3 x weekly Geneva, Salzburg and Munich.

jonny calm down! As a punter I’ve expressed my disappointment at a lack of choice at certain periods in the year and compared two operators (but without going into any detail of their business models except. Noting from a very high level that one is more profitable than the other)

Many posts ago there was lots of “I can see Aegean doing a longer season” before it was announced And no mention of dynamic pricing etc!
I merely suggest an opportunity to add a few flights and crickey it’s not like I’m suggesting reopening DSA or a full FR bae at MME without a full cost analysis and business plan!

I think you have reverse identified a key factor in the TUI flight programme. Their flight programme is almost universally to support the package holiday operation. That operation includes a whole load of resort based staffing, accommodation contracts etc. At some level of demand, that resort based operation is no longer cost-effective - (possibly at the end of the London/SE/SW half term holidays?), so it is shut down until next year. It may provide some marginal additional revenue to the airline to continue for an extra week ex NCL, but cost the whole integrated business.

Strange operational goings on this morning!

Ryanair Palma Teesside flight diverted in early due fog at Teesside.

After an hour on the ground appears to have departed back to Teesside..weather there actually worse than when it diverted!
Proceeded to enter a hold to the west of Teesside..at time of writing still there!

Meanwhile the KLM Amsterdam …which was Also holding for 30 mins..diverts to Edinburgh..over the top..Newcastle weather fine?

Strange !decisions and obviously money to burn by those airlines! Not sure what the passengers know!

Update..KLM just landing at Edinburgh..Newcastle weather fine!
Ryanair looks like he’s off back to Palma!

Customer always comes first!

Shouldn't Teesside weather diversions be on the Teesside thread?

And the RYR has given up holding and heading south - like the one the other week that made an approach after diverting to NCL.

My post was about both airports!
Just not sure why such(what appears) to be an operational mess appeared to happen..have Newcastle huffed KLM…or are there no busses available to transport between the two?

Passengers are the losers here..and the environment!

Or a million and one other reasons. Why do people try and read so much into the decisions to divert? As for KLM, the four flights a day seem to be operating OK.

FR Faro now on sale for S24, 3x week by FAO based aircraft.

Is that a decrease on S23, why do I have it in my head that FAO was 4 weekly? Could be wrong. Doesn’t looks like they’ve put Teesside back up (yet?). LBA is also on sale at 4pw for S24