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PDXCWL45 13th May 2020 08:38


Originally Posted by West Brit (Post 10781095)
I am hopeful that air travel will go back to the 70s. Fewer airports fewer aircraft. Expensive flights should be the normal. It is great not seeing vapour trails across the sky. No new runway at LHR destroying countryside and communities. Microsoft Teams has now officially killed off mass business travel. This would be all good for the environment and reverse this and previous generations disrespect for preserving the planet for future generations. This madness of growth and more growth for what?

Well I hope it doesn't as it'll deny people the chance to travel wherever they want to in the world. Air travel connects the world and gives ordinary people like me opportunities that my parents never had.
As for the environment global shipping, the fashion industry and the meat industry all do much more damage aviation

P330 13th May 2020 09:30

I’m torn on this.

On the one hand, I would love normality to return and the freedom to go wherever we want but I’m torn by whether it should or can return.

Certainly, initially, fear, lower incomes, higher prices and restrictions will make travel difficult and occasional for the next 2-3 years.

Beyond that, I hope we as individuals and they as businesses start to be more respectful of the planet and more appreciative of the things we consume.

I think we we will see a shift, not a blip, in travel. I think it will come back slowly, differently, but I suspect the days of mass, cheap travel for business and leisure as we know it is probably gone. A new, nicer, greener, more respectful era is probably dawning.

Maybe....

mike current 13th May 2020 09:36


Originally Posted by West Brit (Post 10781095)
This madness of growth and more growth for what?

Fine. But then we should apply that to all sectors. Not just air travel.
We might end up with a lot of unemployed people.(We are going to, anyway).
We can't all be doctors, nurses and carers.


NormanDLandings 13th May 2020 09:39


Originally Posted by West Brit (Post 10781095)
I am hopeful that air travel will go back to the 70s. Fewer airports fewer aircraft. Expensive flights should be the normal. It is great not seeing vapour trails across the sky. No new runway at LHR destroying countryside and communities. Microsoft Teams has now officially killed off mass business travel. This would be all good for the environment and reverse this and previous generations disrespect for preserving the planet for future generations. This madness of growth and more growth for what?

What on Earth are you doing on this website if that’s your view? You do know that there a LOT of pilots on here at risk of having their livelihoods destroyed, many for the second time in 6 months?

FFMAN 13th May 2020 10:24


Originally Posted by West Brit (Post 10781095)
I am hopeful that air travel will go back to the 70s. Fewer airports fewer aircraft. Expensive flights should be the normal. It is great not seeing vapour trails across the sky. No new runway at LHR destroying countryside and communities. Microsoft Teams has now officially killed off mass business travel. This would be all good for the environment and reverse this and previous generations disrespect for preserving the planet for future generations. This madness of growth and more growth for what?

And aviation is singly responsible for the world's environmental problems is it? :hmm: I would say it is one of the more responsible sectors (and I don't work in it).
Have you any idea how much plastic waste this virus has unleashed on the planet globally through fully disposable single use PPE?
The collosal increased amount of dross photos and videos of brain-washed kids painting 'rainbows that don't look like rainbows' that are being uploaded to social media that get stored in energy sucking 'data warehouses' that some estimates put at taking upto 4% of global energy consumption.....
All the extra soap and alcohol based substances that are being washed in to the aquatic environment.....etc etc

Sharklet_321 13th May 2020 10:41

I hope that we in Europe and the west adopt a lot of what Asia is already doing as part of normal life - it's not that disruptive:
  • Cleaning & disinfecting of surfaces every hour (for example elevator buttons, door handles on buildings etc)
  • Everyone wears face masks in enclosed spaces or when traveling or when you are sick
  • Temperature checks at airports and monitored quarantine when you are sick (with a wrist band that alerts authorities if you go beyond a certain distance from your home)
  • Improved public awareness of hygiene (which took hold of Hong Kong after SARS and is now one of the reasons why the public in Hong Kong behaved so well during this outbreak)




Flitefone 13th May 2020 10:47

Its going to take a while!
 
https://blueswandaily.com/covid-19-c...rst-time-ever/



FFMAN 13th May 2020 14:58

I read halfway through till I realized it was a collection of personal opinions (rather like reading through pprune!)
Then I stopped reading altogether when I saw the phrase 'the new normal' yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

helipixman 13th May 2020 15:36


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10781491)
I read halfway through till I realized it was a collection of personal opinions (rather like reading through pprune!)
Then I stopped reading altogether when I saw the phrase 'the new normal' yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

Double yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn and Arrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh. A hated phrase from the Lockdown, the New Normal, we dont really know what is going on now, so many telling us different stories, so what will the New Normal look like, who has the crystal ball ? The way public transport has gone in London today its already gone back to the OLD NORMAL ?

Flitefone 13th May 2020 18:39

Its going to take a while 2
 

Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10781491)
I read halfway through till I realized it was a collection of personal opinions (rather like reading through pprune!)
Then I stopped reading altogether when I saw the phrase 'the new normal' yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

I have checked this for 'new normal' sensitivities. The official and professional airline view:

https://www.iata.org/en/iata-reposit...-next-5-years/

Its (still) going to take a while.

FF

LTNman 13th May 2020 18:50

Whatever the airlines do it is still a brave soul who is prepared to risk their life for a few days in the sun and with no covid 19 insurance cover as a bonus for new bookings.
https://i.imgur.com/Uz2M1lV.jpg

LGS6753 14th May 2020 11:47

I've been hearing rumours that EZY will operate flights returning to the UK via France so that the 14 day quarantine provisions will not apply. Frankly, I don't believe the rumour. Is anyone in the know about this?

davidjohnson6 14th May 2020 11:56

If Easyjet are seen to be abusing the rules, I imagine the rules will be changed

JSCL 14th May 2020 12:04


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10782330)
If Easyjet are seen to be abusing the rules, I imagine the rules will be changed

Indeed. Depending on any rules in France, connecting flights via Paris may all of a sudden become quite appealing.

But then again, EZY may well be playing the game here to show Government just how stupid the plans are with exemptions.

Jet II 14th May 2020 12:48

The EU have put the block on the French exemption - apparently if France gets an exemption it must also apply to all other Schengen countries.

scr1 14th May 2020 16:24


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10782336)
Indeed. Depending on any rules in France, connecting flights via Paris may all of a sudden become quite appealing.

But then again, EZY may well be playing the game here to show Government just how stupid the plans are with exemptions.

or via Dublin (not on EZY as they dont go their)

Playamar2 14th May 2020 16:52

Jet 11. The EU said that the French exemption should not apply to all Schengen countries, only those with a similar or lower coronavirus risk profile. However the UK controls its own borders and can make exemptions if it wishes, and there is nothing the EU can do about it apart from taking the UK to the European Court of Justice for discriminating against a Schengen member. I presume all passengers on flights, trains, ferries originating outside Ireland or France will have to complete something similar to the old landing card from the 1970s.

Gurnard 14th May 2020 19:35

Closer to home summer holidays not possible either.
No regular UK-Guernsey flights till September:-
https://www.itv.com/news/channel/202...end-of-august/


Jet II 14th May 2020 21:44


Originally Posted by Playamar2 (Post 10782580)
Jet 11. The EU said that the French exemption should not apply to all Schengen countries, only those with a similar or lower coronavirus risk profile.

Thats every other European country then



However the UK controls its own borders and can make exemptions if it wishes, and there is nothing the EU can do about it apart from taking the UK to the European Court of Justice for discriminating against a Schengen member.
Apparently No 10 have now said that France is not exempt...

Downing Street has denied that visitors coming from France will be exempt from moves to quarantine international visitors coming into the UK.

LTNman 15th May 2020 05:15

If Easyjet jet flew passengers via France to break quarantine laws there would be uproar not only from the public but from parliament as well. It won’t happen particularly as Easyjet might need further financial assistance from a government it was seen to undermine.


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