I know I'm like a broken record, but there needs be a more sensible / joined up approach to this; not just in the UK but across Europe. Science doesn't change at the border, but with everything in international diplomacy, each country makes it up as they go along. A common approach with exemptions, not just for air crew, but also for all key workers.

The map at the bottom of this ECDC webpage is a good colour coded indicator of regional variations.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

I'd argue that self isolation requirements should apply to the following:
Blue (zero cases) - Free travel... TLL for example
Yellow (less than 20 in 2 weeks) - free travel... LGW, NOC, OSL, RIX, FNC, LCA, HEL
Light orange (20-60) - recommend isolation, but not mandatory... LHR, MAN, DUB, FAO, MRS, TXL, CPH, FCO, ATH, VIE
Brown (60-120) - mandatory isolation with testing options... CDG, AGP, MLA, NCE
Maroon (120+) - lockdown... MAD, BCN, TFS, ACE, LPA

The problem with that approach is that your examples are just that - examples.

In order for such a system to be implemented effectively, every airport in Europe with international flights would have to be assigned to one or other of those classifications. It would be an administrative nightmare.

With Countries going into and out of Quarantine rules like a yo-yo, going abroad is currently like a lottery, the only difference the ticket cost significantly more. There are those who have total disregard for any rules and will not self isolate, bravo to the the sensible people who do the right thing and isolate, they would feel much better if the police caught someone who is not isolating and said forget the fine, you are going to prison for 14 days instead, maybe then people would think twice.

In certain ways it would suit BJ for this to continue into next yr as the economic benefit for staycations v going abroad is very substantial. However 120,000 foreign students and couple of million visitors who spend big in London will have a bigger impact.

I am currently is isolation due to holiday and aside from needing to get food in I am observing it.

There is a real danger that Govts are using quarantine as a weapon against other countries.

I assume you realise you are breaking said rules you are referring to? If you are in quarantine in the U.K., you are not allowed to go for exercise or food and must provisions accordingly. It’s a joke of a ruling considering the exemptions during lockdown.

Your talking complete crap,please do some research before coming out with this garbage,to save you anymore embarrassment if you read the following,not allowed to go out for food.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/co...elf-isolation/
Here is the part you shall be able to stomach "
You can only leave your accommodation in limited circumstances. These include where:

• you need access to basic necessities like food and medicines (including for any pets or animals in the household), but please try to first arrange for these to be delivered to you instead to reduce the number of times you need to leave your accommodation.

No, I'm not. The Scottish advice differs from England where the majority of the population lives. And to be really frank, although I've been doubting this in recent months, we are still the UK.

You cannot go out to work or school or visit public areas. You should not go shopping. If you require help buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, you should ask friends or relatives or order a delivery.

In England, you must only exercise within your home or garden. You cannot leave your home to walk your dog. You will need to ask friends or relatives to help you with this.

Hmmm.

There is only a very slight difference in the emphasis between the Scottish and English rules, but it's bordering on hair-splitting, though (as often seems to be the case) the Guidance differs a bit from the Regulations.

I can't find the Regulations as applicable to Scotland, but the Guidance (as reproduced above) asks politely that you "please try to first arrange for [food and medicines] to be delivered to you instead to reduce the number of times you need to leave your accommodation".

In England, the Regulations (which of course don't say "please", and are what you would be prosecuted under, if it got that far) say that, among the "exceptional circumstances" that would permit you to leave home if self-isolating are "to obtain basic necessities such as food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) where it is not possible to obtain these provisions in any other manner".

So I'm not entirely sure what this argument is about. :O

Your really struggling with this I guess,here you go,BTW in your case calling 999 to pick up a curry would be permitted!In England, you are allowed to leave your accommodation in exceptional circumstances. This includes such things as:

• accessing basic necessities like food and medicines where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
• moving to a different place for self-isolation where you can no longer remain where you are.

I have worked throughout this, currently sector I am in is high risk, I can easily work from home plus have littlies who have to stay off school. As place of work have imposed very strict guidelines, even within work, if they found "ANY" breach of Govt guidelines they would ask for another 14 day isolation.

In truth there is no great hardship in doing this as heading to the shops is done late anyway and I put in a mask in the store, normally I do not.

You proposal is on the face of it sensible, however people travel within countries, and although this thread is specifically about air travel, anyone crossing into the UK on surface modes of thansport will likely have their car with them and for example, in France easily have stayed in Paris, whilst visiting an area outside "brown zone". No quarrel regarding travel by air from the islands of Spain, Portugal, Greece etc., rules could and should be more nuanced where possible. It would however require some update of the UK government online form to accommodate this.

0:10 ET
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...884767267.html
Transport Canada fines two individuals for failing to follow direction from the flight crew to wear face coverings during flight

OTTAWA, ON, Sept. 4, 2020 /CNW/ - Canadians have the right to feel safe while flying during a global pandemic, which is why the Government of Canada... has mandated a number of health precautions to keep travelers safe

The following was mandated by the airline
WestJet will ban you from travel for a year if you refuse to wear a mask (evidently the ban is immediate and would include any onward connection flight from the incoming flight). https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...810368365.html

Will the CAA follow suit, I very much hope so.

Transport secretary also stated 7 Greek islands will be subject to quarantine as of 04:00 on Wednesday 9 September.

The islands affected are: Lesvos, Tinos, Serifos, Mykonos, Crete, Santorini and Zakynthos.

The Lord giveth with one hand, and taketh away with the other! Seriously, the inclusion of party islands on the quarantine list is hardly surprising, seems as though the covidiots that couldn't get to Ibiza have spoilt it for the sensible travellers to these islands. Should very possibly open up new opportunities for the end of the Summer season to the Canaries, Madeira and The Azores, and I suppose possibly Hawaii. Don't know what the Covid situation is in Goa versus other parts of India but it would be quite possible to permit IT passengers go there, whilst perhaps restricting independent travellers who of course could, if the were minded throw in a few days in New Delhi on their itinerary.

It is pretty easy for authorities to "control" who is going to Islands, basically just hit party places with restrictions as to numbers and ENFORCE it or close.

Canary Islands want their winter season so control of party areas v whole season is an easy decsion to make.

A lot of the new infections for the Canary Islands came from infected Spaniards traveling from hot spots like Madrid during the Spanish holidays.

Quarantine hasn't affected me as our holidays were binned before travel. That said, I don't answer my phone to unsolicited callers, so I wouldn't be answering any calls checking up on whether I was complying with quarantine. Furthermore, I don't answer the door to unsolicited callers. If the police want to set foot on my property, they can attempt to obtain a warrant empowering them to do so. I'm not sure what "knocking on doors" is supposed to prove in any case, given that you're under no obligation to answer the door.

The “safe” Canary Isles is now reporting 193 cases per 100,000.

Is that per 100,000 of the local population, or 100,000 of the total of people on the islands? I expect there's a big difference.
Also, are the 193 locals, visitors, or a mix? If a mix, what proportions?

Total cases 7,106, cured 2,636, active 4,296, dead 174................................ or if using UK stats it would have meant 838 dead.

UPDATE Coronavirus – 8th September

Depends a bit on which island you go to. Gran Canaria have the highest numbers but I guess you'd have to weigh that against population numbers there.

I can't find the link but there is a site where you can click on Tenerife, for example, and see the breakdown of cases by area. Majority of the cases are in the north of that island.

Just an update on the Canaries where Gran Canaria & Lanzarote are both about 190 per 100K. Tenerife on the other hand us about 45. These are 14 day average cases. Population of Gran Canaria & Tenerife are about 900k, whereas Lanzarote is 150K.

The link for fireflybob is https://grafcan1.maps.arcgis.com/app...7468d1fd70efb6

Quietly Quietly...

Aviation Minister Miss Kelly Tolhurst (who?) has been moved aside.

Germany was reported to have ended their airport testing at the end of August.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...139903.article

While we all want to save the industry we have to remember that air travel spread this virus around the world at lightning speed. Even now people are going away on holiday, they then forget social distancing and bring the virus home which is what was happening in Germany. It is debatable if someone picked up the virus at the airport or on the aircraft or even on the last days of the trip that even a second test would always pick up the infection which is the whole point of 14 day quarantines.

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-u...-statement.pdf

Meantime...

RYR cuts ANOTHER 10m pax from its financial year forecast & says Winter 2020 essentially a "write off" & is also looking at perhaps further base closures.

That seems for the 1st time to be a very well kept secret of Government. Wow bet even the Russki's didn't know.

SNN and Cork are likely to be cut in Ireland and lots more will follow.

Everybody is treating Pandemic as 1 single event where as scientists are saving it is 2, not waves but outbreak and testing to May and then since but Govts still working on old data.

Weekly UK quarantine announcement is tomorrow. Any bets on what Grant Shapps will say ?

Hope this doesn’t happen but SEN must be nervously looking over their shoulder!

While Ryanair are moaning about the U.K. government they are also moaning about the Irish government as their restrictions are much greater than England’s. Meanwhile passengers are still moaning about Ryanair hanging on to their money.

She’s moved to a ministerial post in the Dept for Communities, Housing and Local Government, following the resignation of the Minister, Simon Jones. There was a mini reshuffle as a consequence.

Add Portugal, but exclude Madeira and The Azores. He could take Sweden off the naughty step giving the recent very low figures, but I doubt he will.

He could divulge some state secrets............... i,e, that he doesn't know what he is doing but likely will be SSDD.

If there is a mini shuffle and nobody notices, it is really a mini shuffle ?

Not a brain cell to be seen amongst Boris's posh blue maidens. At least the lefty whingers would've been kept on their toes by the media. Posh and blue receives zero scrutiny. And this is the result.

No different from the rest of the muppets then. A quiet reshuffle when everybody looking elsewhere.

From the BBC - this is a very telling snippet...

..........said a mass-testing programme could be ready by the spring and could help the UK to avoid a second national lockdown.

So who knows how many airlines in Europe could last till 2022 or later for a recovery of over 65% load factor? It appears the rolling day average of load factors for many flights operating is unsustainable...

If the traveller is not interested in flying and the airlines are all trying to run routes with 189 seats but only 30-70 pax per flight..... There is a bigger pile of poo round the corner....

Oh dear, we are back to the pointless political posts again, what a bore. So you don't like Boris? Who cares!

Pointless political posts are only pointless when they don't coincide with your own view (using the word "your" in a broad sense rather than aiming anywhere in particular). All governments of all hues have been guilty of a revolving door on aviation secretaries.