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Interesting developments and announcements from LBA today? Now all they need to do is sort the weather out!
seriously...bit of a squeeze if it happens? Two major players within 60 miles north and south of TIA..excluding the Manchester effect and the promised new trains. Going to be hard ? |
Its a very hard decision to make on what to do with MME, however, the best scenarios are to clear the site for full redevelopment. With the new plan for LBA and hopefully NCL planning some major works the need for MME is null. It sees more caravans than passengers and probably earns more revenue.
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Interesting highwide and Pintofdoom come on this thread and bash MME but dont comment on the LBA thread. Seriously guys/girls have you nothing better to do?
The development at LBA is good for them but will it take away the current core business? No. Has LBA and NCL existed for the last god know how many years? Yes. Will it have an impact on future operations at MME, who's to know. You both seem threatened by MME. What is the big issue? Take yourselves to the LBA forum and congratulate LBA on their development. |
Onion ,sorry didn’t realise I was bashing..just stating a possible problem in the future to the development of the airport?
Leeds will always have that appalling weather record to hold them back..unlike TIA.. |
Originally Posted by highwideandugly
(Post 10664145)
Onion ,sorry didn’t realise I was bashing..just stating a possible problem in the future to the development of the airport?
Leeds will always have that appalling weather record to hold them back..unlike TIA.. it hasn't held them back. The number of flights cancelled/diverted due to the 'appalling weather record' is in year is negligible. TIA supporters need to realise that its catchment area does not support the need for an 'international airport' |
The same could be said about LCY, BRS to a lesser extent ABZ who all suffer weather related diverts. MME does not have the capacity to handle even 4 737 loads that divert in and pax need ground transport back wherever.
The likes of DON is much better suites to this position. MME has no viable future as a commercial airport, its a waste of tax payers money. |
Flybar and Pint of Doom are in for a shock
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I would guess they are Robert.
The mayor has delivered on everything so far, imo, and I anticipate it won’t be long before we hear about more routes. i could be wrong of course. Robert - you expecting an announcement anytime soon? |
Flybar the weather can be a problem but it's not the problem it was 20 years ago. Aircraft and technology have moved on.
Pintofdoom airports aren't just about passengers... by your original logic of saying MME is doomed by the new terminal plans at LBA it can be said that MME will be saved by the Southside plans! And LBA and NCL should give up competing in the freight and ancillary areas regarding an airport. Thus MME carves a nice domain for themselves and the two bigger neighbours may as well not bother to compete in those areas. Your post sounds like you dont like the idea that the mayor is delivering on his promises! |
It makes a change that an elected pier is actually delivering a promise is the first surprise.
But the figures show that it will take a huge amount of money before the airport begins to turn around its losses and get back into the black. I just don't see it as long term viable. Why use tax money on an airport that needs major help when there are other currently viable options nearby, while letting the high street, local infrastructure, social housing ect go to rack and ruin. I'll eat my hat and go vegan the day MME becomes the anchorage of europe. |
Originally Posted by PintofDoom
(Post 10664595)
It makes a change that an elected pier is actually delivering a promise
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Asked how long until Teesside could expect a new UK route, Ms Willard told the committee the airport was in “relatively detailed discussions” with more than one airline about a regional connection . She added: “I think we will certainly be hoping to announce something in the next few months when it comes to regional connectivity. The regional piece is interesting - it’s getting the right plane to the right place at the right time and at the right level of frequency. The devil is really in the detail when it comes to regional connectivity.” |
November CAA stats:
Terminal passengers: 11,273 - down 1% v prior year
Rolling 12 month passengers: 147,643 |
Originally Posted by tigertanaka
(Post 10669314)
There is clearly demand for this route at the right price
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10669351)
Right price for who? All very well having ‘low’ prices to get punters through the door but clearly that’s not sustainable or there would still be 2 operators and 3k pax, better to have a service that lasts surely which is more sustainable for both parties.
Having two operators on such a thin route was unsustainable but the huge growth on the route driven by Loganair did show that there are plenty of people in the Teesside area what want to travel to North East Scotland (or vice versa). |
Originally Posted by tigertanaka
(Post 10669478)
Eastern's prices on MME-AMS are eye-watering compared to other domestic flights, which probably means it is a cash cow route, driven by a relatively small number of people who are not so price-sensitive (business funded travel by oil & gas sector companies).
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Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10669497)
When do Eastern fly from Teesside to Amsterdam?
From the Cardiff forum, it looks like Eastern might be launching CWL-MME. |
The Mayor delivering on his promise! Looks like a good move by Eastern, reinforces MME-ABZ with the CWL passengers and they must be suffering on NCL-ABZ with LM upgauging flights.
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I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here, the evidence is circumstantial at best
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Originally Posted by No-More-Bullschit
(Post 10669558)
I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here, the evidence is circumstantial at best
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The argument for the Aberdeen is that the passengers are there, but it's not sustainable with two operators. But if eastern were to use a larger aircraft themselves it maybe.
The question for Eastern would be high profit margin low revenue (j41) or low profit margin higher revenue (s2000/atr/embraer). That's Easterns commercial decision. Obviously the airport wants the latter. Eastern may not. could all change re the Cardiff rumour! |
Eastern run a number of routes from Humberside to Teesside then Aberdeen but have never actually sold the route between Humberside and Teesside so it might be the same with Cardiff.
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This is all down to poor performance on the ncl-cwl and a sheer lack of available aircraft. Wasting money sending the saab or 145 from huy via mme to abz while an aircraft gets wasted at ncl. The 41s have had their day with more getting wfu than in service and very few available to supply the parts required, added to the number of engineers they laid off and couldn't recover.
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Eastern
Flybe website confirms that the mid morning Aberdeen flights have all changed to lunchtime, which seems to confirm the CWL-MME-ABZ and return, as same times as Newcastle is now? But unable to book MME-CWL as yet.
Eastern NCl- ABZ down to 1 flight a day in the afternoon. |
Press conference tomorrow or Monday..... possibly!
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Story out this morning of new routes to Dublin and Belfast plus four more to be announced at 0900. Cardiff presumably among them.
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Bit of an odd announcement, new routes and airline partner without mentioning what and who, but brilliant news for the airport and good work.
Nice timing as well, same week as the Mayor's major election rival launched her campaign.... :ok: 'Major milestone' for Teesside Airport as daily Dublin and Belfast flights announced |
Teesside-Cardiff on sale now.
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Cardiff now bookable at flybe.. and at £443 return,I can imagine it will be a very successful route,....
Eastern Saab turning up at 8.45 - is that related to the announcement? (credit Teesside Movements) |
Originally Posted by mmeman
(Post 10670054)
Cardiff now bookable at flybe.. and at £443 return,I can imagine it will be a very successful route,....
Eastern Saab turning up at 8.45 - is that related to the announcement? (credit Teesside Movements) The Saab appears to be positioning in to operate the Aberdeen. |
Better tell FlyBe the name of the airport has changed :8
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Will be interesting to see if Loganair use there own aircraft or contract in NYXAir.
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So, Belfast, Dublin, Cardiff, Isle of Man, Southampton and London City. All operated by Eastern Airways.
According to DTV Movements. |
Originally Posted by P330
(Post 10670120)
So, Belfast, Dublin, Cardiff, Isle of Man, Southampton and London City. All operated by Eastern Airways.
According to DTV Movements. |
Looking at the Gazettes updates, all the references are to Eastern operating the flights - no mention of Flybe?
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More detail from the Gazette:
The new routes will roll out from next month and, after almost a decade, will see the return of flights to Dublin in time for St Patrick’s Day, starting at £69.99. There will also be daily direct connections to Belfast City Airport, Cardiff and Southampton. From May 30 this year, passengers will also be able to fly to the Isle of Man on a seasonal service. This announcement, which includes 37 new flights per week, will add 185,000 seats each year, more than doubling the number of available seats. To help ensure reliability, an engineering base will be created at the airport to serve the aircraft operating the new Eastern Airways routes. Tickets will be available to buy in the coming days. |
Aberdeen Existing Service – revised 10 February Cardiff – Monday 10 February Belfast – Monday 9 March Dublin – Monday 9 March Southampton – Monday 9 March London City – Monday 27 April Isle of Man – Saturday 30 May |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10670173)
Presumably Belfast, Dublin, Southhampton will be done by a single based unit, similar to how CAX works. CWL, ABZ on the current J.41 as per existing NCL?
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Originally Posted by GrahamK
(Post 10670075)
Better tell FlyBe the name of the airport has changed :8
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Originally Posted by PintofDoom
the need for MME is null. It sees more caravans than passengers and probably earns more revenue.
MME has no viable future as a commercial airport, its a waste of tax payers money.
Originally Posted by flybar
TIA supporters need to realise that its catchment area does not support the need for an 'international airport'
Originally Posted by Me
Flybar and Pint of Doom are in for a shock
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