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All they will have left is the carpark to raze funds with. Lets hope they don't increase fees for GA and hangarage or we will see even less activity.
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With a press launch of the re-naming ceremony to "Teesside International Airport", you would think a simultaneous launch of updating the website (still "Durham Tees Valley") would have been coordinated in a professional relaunch.
Durham Tees Valley Airport |
Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist
(Post 10544465)
Surprised no-one has picked up on this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49338849 140,000 pax a year is approximately 70,000 outbound (ie the ones who pay the passenger fee). 70,000 x £5 each (£6 less the VAT that goes to central government) equals £350k a year, not £900k. |
Whilst the 350k argument seems logical, I feel like what must be an entire team of accountants at the Mayors office isn't going to get it wrong? Either way the black hole argument stands
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Originally Posted by Robert-Ryan
(Post 10545998)
Whilst the 350k argument seems logical, I feel like what must be an entire team of accountants at the Mayors office isn't going to get it wrong? Either way the black hole argument stands
Passengers face £6 airport charge at Durham Tees Valley - The Journal 226k pax in 2010 so 113k outbound pax paying £5 each (£6 ex VAT) is £565k... |
Don’t forget children pay less! |
Must be a rolling 900k then since they took over the fee
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More questions than answers! |
As I see it, situations such as this only undermine the figures that support the viability of the project to purchase the airport in the first case.....
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Two. 2. Schedule departures today.lSunday.. sorry guys..am I missing something here? the worst for 20 plus years? Any green shoots.....anyone..mr.mayor ? |
Not sure what you're getting at given it's the same level as we've had for many years now on a Sunday, unless you expected the Mayor to perform an overnight miracle despite his continued assertion that it will be a long term (i.e. years) fix.
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June CAA stats:
Terminal passengers: 15,027 - up 16% v prior year
Rolling 12 month passengers: 142,945 - best since 2013. |
[QUOTE=tigertanaka;10549056]June CAA stats:
assuming 1,280 seats on an A320 Talk about densification! |
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
(Post 10549056)
June CAA stats:
assuming 1,280 seats on an A320 Talk about densification! |
How does the Burgas flight prices compare to other local departure points.
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Whoops! I meant 280 seats - now corrected. When did the AMS switch to EMB's, and what's the seating difference to the Fk.70? |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10549162)
180?
When did the AMS switch to EMB's, and what's the seating difference to the Fk.70? The Embraer change in late October 2017 put a lot of extra capacity on the AMS route. A Fokker 70 had 70 seats but there was a "middle seat vacant" policy which meant that KLM would normally only sell around 64 seats (this varied but 3 rows of business would be typical). An E175 has 88 seats which means over 25% more capacity than before. To put recent traffic into context, June 2019 (E175) was 34% up on June 2017 (F70). Also 10,988 pax in June (and assuming 3 daily weekday, 2 daily weekends) is an average of 69 pax per flight so we are a bit away from getting a 4th daily flight or a move up to an E190.. |
The E190s have been appearing recently on the night stopping aircraft. Cannot see a 4th due to the Amsterdam restrictions. Now the local councillor is on side with the mayor they could do with re-starting the KLM cargo plan of the 80s.
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NZS...remind please that cargo plan? |
Best I can find. The local councillor had her way this time.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/7077539.airport-scheme-brought-down/ |
Originally Posted by tigertanaka
(Post 10549191)
Yes, my calculations were on 180 seats - brain fade today.
The Embraer change in late October 2017 put a lot of extra capacity on the AMS route. A Fokker 70 had 70 seats but there was a "middle seat vacant" policy which meant that KLM would normally only sell around 64 seats (this varied but 3 rows of business would be typical). An E175 has 88 seats which means over 25% more capacity than before. To put recent traffic into context, June 2019 (E175) was 34% up on June 2017 (F70). Also 10,988 pax in June (and assuming 3 daily weekday, 2 daily weekends) is an average of 69 pax per flight so we are a bit away from getting a 4th daily flight or a move up to an E190.. |
July CAA stats:
Terminal passengers: 12,922 - up 11% v prior year
Rolling 12 month passengers: 144,264 - highest since 2013. |
Good stats there. Jersey and Burgas show that if flights are provided to places that people want to go to, people will use them! I still reckon that the east end of Darlington alone could easily fill a weekly 737 to Alicante, but we'll see what happens over the next year or so.
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www.teessideinternational.com
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The old website is still live and its advertising superbreaks.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
(Post 10560264)
The old website is still live and its advertising superbreaks.
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MME-ABZ
Hope I am wrong, but I would expect to see a reduction in the passenger numbers to Aberdeen after the introduction of the Loganair flights from Newcastle. Some fares from Newcastle, especially on Flybe/Eastern are down to £65, while they are still charging £243 one way from Teesside.
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" are still charging £243 one way from Teesside. "
Sounds like a good way to go out of businees. Compete or go under, unless you can offer something better than the opposition. |
How much is the Eastern Newcastle to Aberdeen in comparison.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
(Post 10562269)
How much is the Eastern Newcastle to Aberdeen in comparison.
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Those two faced jocks at Loganair are launching two new routes from up the road
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No-one to start engines?
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...rport-16889394 never heard of a diversion because no-one was available to start an engine.... |
Doesn't make any sense? Clearly there's more to it and the press have jumped on what they've seen to be a juicy story
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Yes, I suspect there was a technical issue with the aircraft and they didn’t have the equipment or qualified personnel to deal with it at MME. In which case, sounds like a non-story... The headline reads like it was a routine task and MME were short staffed... |
Would not the APU on the KLM E190 start the engines on the ground?
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For the flight in question, I believe the fire service were activated, which wouldn't have happened if the decision to divert was made over the north sea
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It could have been something as simple as the KLM plane in question having no serviceable APU, and MME’s Air Starter Unit (ASU) being inoperative. Must have been a slow news day. |
Originally Posted by P330
(Post 10566190)
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...rport-16889394 never heard of a diversion because no-one was available to start an engine.... What most methods have in common is a system for removing the air supply and disengaging the starter motor when the engine has reached self-sustaining speed. To achieve this an electrical solenoid will shut the start valve when this occurs. Should this solenoid fail it is possible to operate the start valve manually with an appropriate tool; box spanner on an extension bar. To carry out this procedure an engineer plugged in to external intercom is positioned by the engine to be started. At the point in the checklist when Start is selected the engineer is instructed to open the start valve and when the start is complete he closes the valve, secures the access panel and all proceeds as normal. Clearly this his procedure requires that the ground personnel are qualified and trained which means having an engineer qualified on type. No suitably qualified engineer available then no capability to start the engines. I am not saying that this was the case here, but it seems highly likely as dispatching with an unserviceable air start valve is not unusual. YS |
I wonder what the total diversion cost. Several thousand pounds I'd suspect including hire of several coaches a) to bring the landed pax at N'cle to Teessider and b) to take pax from Teesside to Ncle. Wasn't there a spare, certified, engineer, in Ncle who could have jumped in his car and been at the airport in less than 50 minutes? A saving of a massive amount of money and the service which the pax had paid good money for. Who does the final cost that day fall on? Teesside Airport of KLM?
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KLM's responsibility, surely?
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