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Too Few Stripes 18th Jul 2020 22:49


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10840509)
I don't mean to be picky but there are a lot more staff facing redundancy then just 'crew'. Consider, for example, the number of engineers, refuellers, baggage handlers, cargo and various other ground based admin jobs that make it possible for a 747 to get into the air.

The focus in the press has been almost exclusively on pilots and cabin crew. I get that, it's the public image of an airline. As industry insiders maybe we should be showing a bit more tact when discussing 'staff' redundancies.

Unfortunately you do mean to picky! You’re moaning about PILOTS discussing PILOT redundancies on a PILOT forum - surely that’s exactly what should be on PPRUNE. Nobody here thinks that pilots are the be-all and end-all much as I’m certain they are all aware of the other roles affected by redundancies etc. However, that is not the focus or intended audience of this forum.

TURIN 19th Jul 2020 00:02


Originally Posted by Too Few Stripes (Post 10840828)
Unfortunately you do mean to picky! You’re moaning about PILOTS discussing PILOT redundancies on a PILOT forum - surely that’s exactly what should be on PPRUNE. Nobody here thinks that pilots are the be-all and end-all much as I’m certain they are all aware of the other roles affected by redundancies etc. However, that is not the focus or intended audience of this forum.


Theres always one.

This hasn't been an exclusive pilot's forum for nearly twenty years. I know as that was when I joined. This is the BA forum, not the BA Pilot's forum.
There are plenty of other 'exclusive' pilot forums (fora?) within Pprune, If you don't like mixing with the rest of us stick to them.

The vast majority of pilots and cabin crew I have met in a near forty year career have been decent, amiable people. Try and be the same eh. It won't hurt you know.



Rutan16 19th Jul 2020 06:55


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10840529)
Wholeheartedly agree - have become a little tired of listening to the Unions talking only about crew - it takes many cogs to keep the wheel going. Also nonsense about using the retirement of an ageing fleet as an excuse to reduce heads - give me a break. VS have retired theirs as have many airlines in the past...they are gas guzzling during a time where there isn’t the demand to fill them at premium yield. I know there is a lot of ill feeling towards BA and my view is if you don’t like it, leave.

Its the Unions job to negotiate and represent THEIR members(paying their dues) if ancillary and clerical staff are Unionised it’s THEIR Unions job to voice concerns on behalf of their members.

Naturally all job losses should be voiced and are equally tragic !

Cloud1 19th Jul 2020 08:45


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10840994)
Its the Unions job to negotiate and represent THEIR members(paying their dues) if ancillary and clerical staff are Unionised it’s THEIR Unions job to voice concerns on behalf of their members.

Naturally all job losses should be voiced and are equally tragic !

Unites conduct through this has been shameful in comparison to Balpa; and I can only imagine crew in other airlines also going through the same restructuring are sick of hearing about BA crew. VS, EasyJet and even Jet2 have all seen cuts but we don’t see picketing and slots being threatened there.

Unites approach is entirely counter productive particularly around their insistence on reducing BA’s landing slots at LHR.

I feel this has the potential of increasing a divide between crew and other airline personnel.

Too Few Stripes 19th Jul 2020 09:13


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10840861)
Theres always one.

This hasn't been an exclusive pilot's forum for nearly twenty years. I know as that was when I joined. This is the BA forum, not the BA Pilot's forum.
There are plenty of other 'exclusive' pilot forums (fora?) within Pprune, If you don't like mixing with the rest of us stick to them.

The vast majority of pilots and cabin crew I have met in a near forty year career have been decent, amiable people. Try and be the same eh. It won't hurt you know.

if you don’t like criticism, don’t post nonsense!
where else should pilots be discussing pilot issues?? The BALPA forum is only for members and many of them do not like the lack of anonymity with the fear culture that exists at many airlines. Not discussing other roles is not insensitive, it’s simply not normally relevant in a pilot forum. What bit of PROFESSIONAL PILOT RUmour Network do you not understand?

Any statement that starts with ‘I don’t want to be X, but....’ invariably means you are exactly X. You have proven the point perfectly but didn’t like being called out on it. Accept this IS a pilots network where pilots should, and will, discuss pilot issues. If you don’t like that then perhaps you need to find another forum ??

kcockayne 19th Jul 2020 11:12

What a pity that we have all this rancour & bitterness. It amply illustrates why all the power is concentrated in one of the two sides involved. I leave you to determine for yourselves exactly which side that may be.

Rutan16 19th Jul 2020 15:18


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10841064)
Unites conduct through this has been shameful in comparison to Balpa; and I can only imagine crew in other airlines also going through the same restructuring are sick of hearing about BA crew. VS, EasyJet and even Jet2 have all seen cuts but we don’t see picketing and slots being threatened there.

Unites approach is entirely counter productive particularly around their insistence on reducing BA’s landing slots at LHR.

I feel this has the potential of increasing a divide between crew and other airline personnel.

Na its the members not voicing their valid concerns to shop stewards . Going to sound sexist however the women seem to wait instructions rather than provide that instruction !

Lew540 19th Jul 2020 19:25

Medical
 
Hi everyone,
been looking for answer everywhere recently. Just got my first myopia prescription (20/70 in worse eye which is -1.25). I’m 15 and hoping to join BA in the coming years.
Do I have a good chance, if I work hard in school or will my eyes give me a disadvantage compared to other candidates?
Do BA still host their own medical or not?
Thanks in advance.

Rutan16 20th Jul 2020 11:31


Originally Posted by Lew540 (Post 10841443)
Hi everyone,
been looking for answer everywhere recently. Just got my first myopia prescription (20/70 in worse eye which is -1.25). I’m 15 and hoping to join BA in the coming years.
Do I have a good chance, if I work hard in school or will my eyes give me a disadvantage compared to other candidates?
Do BA still host their own medical or not?
Thanks in advance.

Be prepared for many changes in life expectations, be very flexible and get those grades,take a gap year and have some fun it’s worthwhile then consider a degree in whatever subjects you excel at.

Come back when you’re 21 and then decide seriously



VickersVicount 20th Jul 2020 12:12


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10841878)
Come back when you’re 21

....and someone may have actually answered your specific queries!

davidjohnson6 20th Jul 2020 12:19

Lew - while I agree with much of what Rutan wrote, think about learning to fly / gain a PPL during university years. If you end up flying for a living, you want to make sure you will *really* enjoy it

Gurnard 20th Jul 2020 12:52

The advice above is all good. In addition, 5-6 years from now opportunities may be better than the present time with a lot of qualified pilots looking for work.

Lew540 20th Jul 2020 13:01

Medical
 
Thanks everyone for the replies. I've recently emailed the CAA and other airlines such as BA regarding their recruitment - they've mostly replied with the same advice (Concentrate on getting the qualifications while also looking after yourself). I have recently been slightly worried as most people label airline pilots as '100% healthy'. So this advice has helped me greatly. I will concentrate on getting my qualifications - and possibly achieve my dream of captaining the A380 one day!
Thanks Everyone.

c52 20th Jul 2020 13:56

Did the 747s make up about a quarter of the long-haul fleet and maybe a third of the capacity?

Online fleet lists have already removed them.

TURIN 20th Jul 2020 14:41


Originally Posted by Too Few Stripes (Post 10841093)
if you don’t like criticism, don’t post nonsense!
where else should pilots be discussing pilot issues?? The BALPA forum is only for members and many of them do not like the lack of anonymity with the fear culture that exists at many airlines. Not discussing other roles is not insensitive, it’s simply not normally relevant in a pilot forum. What bit of PROFESSIONAL PILOT RUmour Network do you not understand?

Any statement that starts with ‘I don’t want to be X, but....’ invariably means you are exactly X. You have proven the point perfectly but didn’t like being called out on it. Accept this IS a pilots network where pilots should, and will, discuss pilot issues. If you don’t like that then perhaps you need to find another forum ??

Where to start?

It is you that is spitting their dummy out. I very politly, I thought, suggested that when referring to the current difficulties we could use the term 'staff' instead of 'crew'. (The term 'crew' refers to flying staff not just pilots) Just an idea to maybe refrain from marginalising the vast number of BA staff who are not crew. I wasn't having a dig, but you have chosen to take it as such and then come across as elitist telling me and every other non-pilot to sling our hooks. Thanks for that. Next time you are stuck down the line, remember there is a vast army of non flying staff looking after your interests to try and get you, your aircraft, crew and passengers home.

This is a sub-forum within

Airlines, Airports & RoutesTopics about airports, routes and airline business.
It doesn't say 'pilots' only!
There are a number of forum within Pprune aimed specifically at non-pilots and also 'everyone'. Jet blast and the Computer forum spring to mind. This 'British Airways' forum is no different. I see posts on here from everyone, passengers, crew, ground staff, managers, admin the lot. It is not an exclusive pilot's forum. Get over it.

SKOJB 31st Jul 2020 12:47

Noted that BA intend to temporarily ground x 4 A380’s, assume this is further to the entire A380 fleet being stored during lockdown. Can’t help but think this is the start of the end for the double decker!

dc9-32 31st Jul 2020 14:04

And is terminating the A318 operations too.

DaveReidUK 31st Jul 2020 14:34


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 10850251)
Noted that BA intend to temporarily ground x 4 A380’s, assume this is further to the entire A380 fleet being stored during lockdown. Can’t help but think this is the start of the end for the double decker!

I'm not clear what distinction you are making between "stored" and "temporarily grounded".

SKOJB 31st Jul 2020 15:58


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10850309)
I'm not clear what distinction you are making between "stored" and "temporarily grounded".

all were stored during lockdown, of which some are now returning to service. However, 4 are being temporarily grounded until further notice. Simply highlighting that anything with four engines is at risk for the future!

Gurnard 31st Jul 2020 16:10

"Some are now returning to service"??
They are simply positioning to LHR for routine maintenance as I understand it, then returning to CHR for further storage.


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