Where have read that it states that the car park which will be in front of the new terminal building will be for Stobart HQ office staff, i must have missed that bit in the planning documentation.

Looking at the planning application, most of the building is Stobart HQ offices etc

Hmm. Europe as a whole is low on successful Jetstream routes. Even Jetstream PSO operators sometimes struggle to stay afloat!

It's two separate car parks, one for Stobart HQ and one for the terminal.

Small correction, but Firnas have a Jetstream 31. I initially thought it might be Firnas, the Jetstream would be a perfect fit, and with them not having announced any plans yet, it made a bit of sense. But apparently they are determined to operate their own flights from elsewhere.

Stobart Air have been awarded funding to operate the flights, so they need to do so under their own name, but that doesn't stop them from outsourcing the actual flying. The smallest plane in the Stobart fleet is an ATR42, which is a big plane to fill from Carlisle. Outsourcing to a J31/J42 or Saab 340 makes sense. If not Firnas, perhaps Loganair or Eastern.

Interlining and transferring are two different things, however nothing has been announced for either. Although Stobart operare flights on behalf of Aer Lingus, this side of the business is entirely driven by Aer Lingus - they choose where to fly and take control of all marketing and ticket sales, and assume all risk for flying the route - Stobart get a fixed fee. I cant see Aer Lingus being interested in taking on the risk of serving Carlisle.

The flights will likely operate under the Stobart name. It's possible a deal may be done to interline with Aer Lingus, they certainly have an established relationship, and in future if the flights perform well Aer Lingus may choose to take on the route.

Work has started on the foundations for the new terminal building:

https://twitter.com/carlisleairport

A very informative post from nighthawk117. I believe he is spot on in his first sentence - last paragraph. Recent PR releases at SEN have given equal prominence to Stobart Air as Flybe. I think next year will see a concerted effort to promote Stobart as an up front airline, not just as an aircraft operator that relies on others' brands and marketing.

It will be very small scale, but in my view that's the direction they are going.

That would make sense... what's the strongest brand in Cumbria...?

Carr's Biscuits!

Are you sure about that? My understanding was that it's a franchise deal, i.e. Aer Lingus takes control of all marketing and ticket sales, but Stobart ultimately decides where/when to fly (obviously in discussion with Aer Lingus) and takes the commercial risk.

This is how I believe it is. However if it is as nighthawk117 says then all I can say it's nice work for Stobart if they can get it. I can think of a few others who would like to operate that way.

I'm sure that the situation is as Cyrano says and Stobart Air chooses the routes, subject to approval from Aer Lingus no doubt, and takes the full commercial risk.

It's actually a combination of the two. Some routes are driven by Stobart with EI approval for the brand, and sometimes EI ask Stobart to operate on their behalf if they want a presence on a route. It's a two way relationship.

In the latter case do Aer Lingus take the full commercial risk do you know?

It is a franchise. Cyrano is correct, cumbrianboy incorrect.

J41 or ATR42
 

You would hope that when the flights start in June 2018 that they will have more than 29 passengers each way on the routes, then they wont have to operate on the j41 that has been mentioned, surely they will have enough passengers to be starting with the ATR42 as also mentioned in the article.

If it's a route EI want then it's usually a different model, or at least it has been in the past. The majority of routes are now established and at stobarts risk but over the last couple of years they have done a few that EI asked and EI covered the risk

I see the Frame work for the new terminal building is going up as we speak.......

New AT46s are heading to STK shortly I believe to replace the aging 42s. Not sure how many are set to appear and if one could be freed for CAX.

Having a look through some of the pics on the airports FB site, anyone remember the year that a Balkan Antonov 12 landed? And also a British Midland 737 (I suspect 1992ish for this one?)

Cheers

The AN12 would have been 1995 or 96. It was a dangerous goods flight. The cargo was loaded near the hold for 25, as far from buildings and roads as possible.

I remember the Air Bridge vanguards and TNT BAe146's that use to visit regular on those flights....

I remember dispatching gill air 330's from BFS-CAX as part of the royal mail skynet must have been late 90's ish

Perhaps Stobart could even decide to use Eastern Airways with the start up operation come June 2018 for the flights, after all the smallest aircraft they have is the J41 but clearly have other larger types to be using when needed.....just a thought.

We just have to wait and see what there plans will be when they make the announcement sometime this month......

Seem to remember love air STN-CAX in the early 1990’s

Can you elaborate on that as I've not aware of any scheduled flights from STN to CAX in the early 90's or ever!

Or are you referring to flights by the RAF under the name of 'Love Air'?

Lakeside Northwest operated CAX-LPL-STN with a J31(?) For a few months

Runways re-opening
 

Any idea when the Runways are re-opening for visiting GA aircraft? Thanks,

Thanks for the information regarding the previously operated STN to CAX flights that was obviously under my radar as I wasn't aware of such an operation.

From Wiki:

Wiki also reckons VLM proposed Fk.50's to LCY - don't remember that!

Remember the proposal, but then Virgin introduced the Pendolino onto the WCML and services became much quicker

Routes out of Carlisle have all been historic failures. The difference this time and the only reason they will operate is that the taxpayer will be putting money into Stobart’s pocket. While I would support subsidies to the Scottish Islands it is hard to justify money to Stobart when there is already an hourly service to London by rail. In fact Carlisle is better connected than many areas where rail services were removed in the 1960’s.

Admittedly previous CAX route attempts have failed miserably, the one I recall was EuroAir Budgies LHR/CAX/DND, and although times have changed whereas more people are travelling by air it is because fares have dropped with the low-cost carrier concept and let it not be missed that Stobart Air already have a relationship with one such low cost carrier so perhaps there may be discussions going on behind the scenes.

But as far as scheduled services are concerned, and having seen VLM already mentioned, I was going to suggest that VLM may be the ideal operator, there can't be much depreciation left to go on F50's thus the operating costs shall be less, but then an operator isn't likely to fill anything like 50 seats in/out of CAX, what with BA offering a LHR service out of NCL, MAN with all it's international services not so far away and with PIK suffering financially for decades just how much of a market does CAX really have?

Perhaps CAX may become like a NWI, NWI has STN not so far down the road, has a relatively sparse catchment area, yet has IT operations, trouble is likely to be finding the appropriate size of scheduled services aircraft whereas load factors shall be profitable whilst able to compete on fares with the not so far away opposition.

But I recall reading that PIK has been making a few bob out of the military popping in for refuels, that CAX seems to have a resident GA market, perhaps the airport may be able to break even or better, I shall be watching with interest.

To be fair, Stobart were working on their airport plans well before the subsidies for regional flights were launched - but if they are available they would be stupid not to make use of them.

3 June launch for London, Dublin and Belfast flights. However no news yet on the operator or frequencies - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...-a3746946.html

I suspect domestic routes will be very difficult to sustain. Operator / London airport / and timings will be critical.

In the meantime, IMHO, Stobart should be on the phone to Lufthansa and Eurowings. NQY has sustained seasonal weekly service from Düsseldorf and Stuttgart on and off for a couple of years now. The south-west has serious appeal for German tourists, no reason the Carlisle couldn't do the same for the Lake District.

I believe the attraction of Cornwall to German tourists is due to the popularity of a TV drama which is filmed there. Unless there's another shot in the Lake District......

This is true but Jersey has also sustained German tourism for some time without the benefit of a TV drama (yes I know there is some history to it). Various parts of the UK have received Swiss charters in the past, Enniskillen being a notable one.

I suspect tourist-based flights (whether charter or scheduled) would have to use jets, and unless there are plans to significantly alter the declared distances on the new runway, that will be a problem at Carlisle. TODA is fine at 1799m but the LDAs of 1317/1445m are unlikely to support e.g. A320