What a strange statement, is ABZ not in UK, can one not travel literally anywhere from LHR, is LHR not in UK either?

We're not allowed to discuss trains here but just check out website traveline for, here and now, train times, we'd probably only need HS3 to compete with something supersonic!

Aah... Onyxcrowle. I've missed you.

What a novel way of expressing a thought process.

No it isn't, quite the opposite in fact, and if talk is to be believed Loganair is only the tip of the iceberg.

What became of the RGF route(s) from Carlisle?

Before this "easyJet to Carlisle" malarkey spreads any further, have a look at the new terminal plans approved last month and try and imagine 150 pax in there... :eek:

17/0568 | Variation Of Condition 2 (Approved Documents) Of Previously Approved Permission 10/1116 To Enable The Construction Of A Stobart Rail And Terminal Facility Including Minor Changes To The Apron, Circulation Areas And Landscaping | Carlisle Ai

I knew I'd seen that stream of consciousness before........:}

Anyone got the dates for the Carlisle closure for the runway realignment??

See the Fire Cover has been permanently reduced is that because of the closure?

They're not realigning the runway, they're sticking with the existing alignment and length but "raising and re-profiling" it. The realigned runway proposal dates back to 2007 but was withdrawn the following year when it got called in by central government.

Any further news on progress at Carlisle?

Imminent and definitely opening next summer, according to a Stobart executive quoted in the local newspaper. The meeting was about the bonkers scheme to extend the Borders line to Carlisle.

Stobart Group`s regional distribution centre at Carlisle Airport has been sold for £23.61m.
Is this continuing the sale of the family silver perhaps?.

Maybe they will use the money from the sale to invest in the airport.
Who knows

Who did they sell it to?

A company called Tritax Big Box apparently

There is a trend developing with the sale of assets.

That’s interesting..will they still have the commitment to developing the airport..or will it be up to the new owners??

The new owners only bought the distribution centre , not the airport.

Amazing though when you consider the “Kerfuffle” to obtain the land against a lot of local opposition,to sell the centre off so quickly? No doubt we will hear a statement re the airport soon.

Stobart sold the distribution centre in February 2016 and is leasing it under a 20 year agreement. Value has increased by nearly £7m in past 18 months.

Disposal of Distribution Centre at Carlisle Airport for £16.925m

Why let a few facts get in the way of the speculation?

Maybe they sold it prematurely........

The 'catalyst' comment refers to the original sale back in 2016.

fjencl..
We are both wrong I`m afraid not helped by poor local newspaper reporting.
Reading several reports carefully together it is thus...
Your header "the sale would be a "catalyst" for inward investment at the airport is old news & was a statement by Stobart Group in 2016 when the logistics centre was sold by them originally.
The sale today is Stobart`s landlord selling the premises on & as is stated by them today this is not a Stobart Group sale.
A question remains tho where were the £16.925m proceeds from 2016 "invested",not it appears so much in CAX.

Thanks very much for that clarification.......

Looking at the plans for the new passenger terminal proposed, is it not the case that it is connected/incorporated to the distribution centre.

Interesting times maybe/not ahead.........for passenger flights.

Time will tell, how much time nobody knows.

Summer 2018 !!!!!!!

I thought it was alongside the distribution centre, but a separate building - not physically connected.

My understanding was that it was to be incorporated into the top right corner of the existing freight distribution building. Unfortunately I can't find any drawings to back up that plan.

You're reading too much into it. It's just juggling money around on the balance sheet to free up cash for future investments - why have £16m of cash tied up in a warehouse, when you can sell it on, free up the cash and re-invest it somewhere else?

Stobarts signed a 20 year lease on the building after selling it, so they'll be around for a long time yet.

Maybe news will be forthcoming at this event
 

Looks like plans have changed again....

I just came across this proposal for "Eden Park":
Eden Park. A landmark North West business development

This land designated for Eden Park was originally earmarked for aircraft stands, some intended for use as part of scheduled movements, others designed for aircraft storage.

There now doesn't appear to be any sort of plan for aviation related activity at the airport. Surprise surprise :)

Time will tell...........

The diagrams showing the land available for development certainly seem to include the area where planning permission has been granted for the new terminal/Stobart Rail HQ building.

I'm not aware of any plan for a new terminal other than inside the existing freight distribution building, or of a stobart rail HQ. Here is the original site plan, as approved:

https://i.imgur.com/Wp91RN8.png

Here's the latest planning application from June this year:


17/0568 | Variation Of Condition 2 (Approved Documents) Of Previously Approved Permission 10/1116 To Enable The Construction Of A Stobart Rail And Terminal Facility Including Minor Changes To The Apron, Circulation Areas And Landscaping | Carlisle Ai

Thanks SWBKCB, just found them. Silly me, you know the one place I didnt look for the plans? This thread!

Here's the new proposal, a standalone terminal on the other side of the freight distribution centre. All in all, this may be a good thing for the airport. The expanded industrial estate will bring in extra revenue, which will help to keep the doors open. Hopefully the tenants will generate some cargo demand too, and bring in the occasional cargo flight.

https://i.imgur.com/xNr63BB.jpg

But the brochure for the new Eden Park development shows the site of the terminal up for grabs, and one of the proposed layouts shows an industrial unit in the middle of the terminal apron.

There is no new terminal (more realistically Stobart HQ building) anywhere to be seen in the Eden Park bumph

hedging their bets? If no-one wants the space, they'll build a terminal... eventually?

I am sure the Eden Park had a date of December 2016, then the new revised Plans/details came into effect June 2017, we shall see what/if happens in the near future with any announcements/news forthcoming after the 7th December meeting.

I feel sure the terminal will need more than the 90 car parking spaces that show on the above plan if it is to have enough passengers to make it viable, is there a long term car park somewhere? How many spaces do other small airports have ( Teeside?)

Don't need many spaces for a couple of ATR's a day. If you look at the terminal plans, it's an office block for Stobart Rail with very basic facilities for limited pax numbers (still a step up from the current terminal...)