Is Dundee's runway long enough for a J41 ?

Was mentioned on an old Dundee threadbthatban RJ100 would make it , as there had been consideration by some travel operator , to launch ' Med flights, with a Southbound fuel stop at for example Southampton .

I believe the E170, has a short field package , plus they all have a rapid climb rate , so at a push perhaps an E170 .

Pity Eastern sold theirs, A couple of Sun routes if doable from Dundee , would probably sell

Do we think that Eastern Airways could be a possible operator here this year then ………..

Don't think so, don't think eastern will be about much longer

Airlines are being invited to bid for the right to run Dundee’s flight route to London.

A new 24-month contract has been put out to tender by Dundee City Council, seeking an operator for a twice-daily weekday flight as well as a single return service to and from the capital on a Sunday.

According to the contract, London is defined as “any airport within a 60-minute rail journey from/to a London Zone 1 station and designated as London according to IATA city code”.

It means flights to London from Dundee could potentially switch from Stansted to airports such as Luton or Southend, should the winning bidder chose to redirect the route.

Tenders for consideration need to be submitted by June 26.

The invitation for airlines to provide a twice-daily connection between Dundee and London comes only a month after the Tele revealed that air links between the two cities could be set for a shake-up, after it emerged funding for the current Stansted route is only to be available until later this year.

The local authority has pledged £145,000 to support the route as part of a public service obligation (PSO) package agreed between itself, the Department for Transport, Transport Scotland and route operator Loganair.

It also comes a week after Loganair announced it would not be introducing its new fleet of planes to the Dundee to Stansted route.

Alison Henderson, chief executive of Dundee and Angus Chamber of Commerce, said the invitation for the tenders was a sign that there was a commitment to the Dundee-London route.

Ms Henderson said: “This is an important route for tourism and business, linking Dundee not only with London but hopefully with an airport that connects to other airports outwith the UK.

“Ideally we would like to see flights from Dundee to an airport that provides a central onward hub elsewhere out of the UK.

“Air travel is hugely important both for business and tourism in Dundee.

“Dundee businesses are very keen to see regular flights to London and would welcome flights to an airport hub.

“We are hoping for the right flights, to the right locations at the right price to be put in place as quickly as possible.”

Dundee City Council and airport operators Highlands and Islands Airports Limited were approached for comment but had not responded at the time of going to press.

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...ee-and-london/

Just ask Lorraine.

Tenders for consideration need to be submitted by June 26.

Will it be Loganair again.

Not long to wait until we find out i guess.........

The Loganair thread is getting rather Dundee focussed so I'm posting here in response to existing comments

I ask in good faith - what is the purpose of the Dundee-London PSO subsidy ? What are the objectives of Dundee council and/or the Scottish Govt in paying this money ?
I can think of several possible reasons for spending the public cash but I don't know which is more (or less) important. What do the residents of Dundee seek from the air route ?
Until we understand these objectives, any debate about possibly moving the route from STN to another London-area airport is somewhat arbitrary

With the announcement of the PSO from LDY - SEN announced to Loganair, it must be due soon the PSO announcement from DND to London route.

According to this, the tender process ended on July 17, 2019:

https://media.londoncityairport.com/...undee-service/

How long does it usually take before a decision? Given the lack of regional airlines nowadays, they will be luck if they have a choice and are not stuck, like for the Coll/Colonsay/Tiree-PSO, with just one bidder asking for more money than on offer....

As per the article, intensive lobbying, however, to move it to LCY. Not really sure how the stakeholders want to lure Loganair as the bidder other than with a truckload of cash. The airports, councils etc. can wish as much as they want, if the tender does not call for a LCY route, there is little they can do other than incentivizing a LCY service.

In the additional documents section on the Public Contracts Scotland website, the ITT document notes that the evaluation was due to be completed on 21st August, notification of outcome on the 23rd August and contract award to be 2nd September. I suspect we'll know within the next two weeks.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the service switched to Southend.

Better make a start on the runway extension then...

It would make sense for Loganair. And Southend is a much nicer airport overall. Mainly because it is smaller!

Might even see LM and BE bury the hatchet and cooperate again on connections.

But rather easier into Dublin....

Oh sorry muddled up there meant Dublin😂

So the PSO is due to start next week but still no word on who won the tender.

Flights beyond next week are still bookable to STN on the Loganair website, but surely we must have an announcement soon...! :confused:

According to the LCY W19 start of season report, Loganair have been given slots for a Dundee service 11x weekly starting from Feb 2020. https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...son-report.pdf

"Flights between Dundee and London are set to shift to a new destination in the capital.

The Courier understands planes will take off and land at London City Airport, rather than London Stansted at present.

Services between the cities will continue to be operated by Loganair"

"Loganair said it would be increasing the size of plane on the route from a 33-seater to a 48-seater"

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...mpression=true

Its also being reported that Dundee-Belfast City will be annouced by Loganair tommorow as well.

Good news. The Dundee/Angus/Perthshire/North Fife catchment is capable of sustaining more than just a London flight, in my opinion, time will tell I suppose. The old "use it or lose it".

Plane mad

Where is this being reported? Would be great if true.

Evening Telegraph are reporting it.

Confirmed now by Loganair that London will move to LCY and they will start flights to BHD.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...dundee-airport

BHD could be a shrewd move by Loganair, as the press release states, there a lot of Northern Irish students studying in Dundee.

I really think this is great news for Dundee. LCY is a far better airport for business traffic and there are a huge number of NI students which hopefully should use the service to Belfast. Hopefully we'll see a reinstatement of the Amsterdam or Manchester service in the long term, but I don't think Loganair would be the right carrier unless there were connections - particularly for long haul.

They interline with KLM so there shouldn't be a problem with them operating AMS in terms of connections, the real problem for them would be acquiring slots.

Dundee - London City route
 

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Loganair’s ATR 42-500 arriving from London City this evening.
Good to see the route getting underway again.

BHD appears to be pushed back to October 25th.

Dundee - Belfast City bookable from Friday 18 Sept 20.

flew over my house last night (Balmullo) good to see this route back as used it a lot before.

ld0595

DND has had BHD before with flybe, but the prices were always pretty high way out of the reach of most students who made us of lower cost flights from GLA/EDI/PIK to Ireland. Hopefully Loganair can keep the costs low enough to make the route viable, same with LCY, although if that's business oriented it shouldn't be much of an issue.

I'd like to see AMS back again, Flybe were an absolute disgrace the way they dropped the route after so much faffing about with it. Loganair should have a serious look at the route as it was popular the last time and as things calm down with covid restrictions, they could make a success of it, especially if they can use it as a KLM feeder.

BHD was still operated by Loganair wasn’t it just under the Flybe codeshare. AMS was scrapped for safety reasons to my knowledge - too many light aircraft flying around in what I believe was uncontrolled airspace and the Q400 was fairly big for DND. Not entirely Flybe’s fault and I don’t know how honest they would have been allowed to be in the circumstances.