Originally Posted by Matt995
(Post 10634541)
No I haven't included the Norwegian aircraft at Gatwick, guessing its 2 B738s operating for TUI under Norwegian flight numbers?
I beleive we might see 7 Sunwing B738s this summer at Aberdeen, Norwich, Dublin, Belfast and Cardiff, whch means 20 Max's still required, dependant on how many B757s are kept, and if they lease in aircraft from other airlines? Still a big gamble that the Max's will be flying from May 2020? Yes there may be some ACMI leasing again like this summer. ASL were used all summer at CWL as well as Titan at STN and LGW, amongst many others at LGW/MAN/BHX. |
B757’s
Prior to the Thomas Cook collapse TUI were down to 4 757’s for summer 2020, they are supposedly keeping the current 9 now. My guess is another couple at MAN and BHX? Additionally thought BRS was going to be a 737 only base as of this winter. Anyone shed any light? Much appreciated. Tom |
NCL is 2x 788 / 4x 788 alternate each week. Summer 2021 NCL requires a 787 4 days every week.
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I think there has to be leasing in. No way there will be 20 Max next summer. Can’t see the MAX flying until st least April next year and then it will take an age to get them all in service.... |
Originally Posted by thom1983tc
(Post 10634789)
Prior to the Thomas Cook collapse TUI were down to 4 757’s for summer 2020, they are supposedly keeping the current 9 now. My guess is another couple at MAN and BHX? Additionally thought BRS was going to be a 737 only base as of this winter. Anyone shed any light? Much appreciated. Tom |
Originally Posted by P330
(Post 10634904)
I think there has to be leasing in. No way there will be 20 Max next summer. Can’t see the MAX flying until st least April next year and then it will take an age to get them all in service.... |
That is the big unknown.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10634979)
And is joe public going to be happy to find they are booked on a MAX?
The DC-10 was similar, and as we saw, people were 'all over' Concorde when it re-flew. This will be a so non-event for most. |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10635038)
Most won't care, most won't realise. Its all about their hard end two weeks in Benidorm. The DC-10 was similar, and as we saw, people were 'all over' Concorde when it re-flew. This will be a so non-event for most. It’s a very different world we live in these days I think. Boeing need to get this right. I’m just not sure how they’ll do it. |
I think many may not like the idea of flying on the MAX but most simply will not know/care to check the aircraft type before their flight. Many will only realise once onboard (even if then!), especially on the likes of TUI. That being said, TUI is definitely the most prominent operator of the MAX in the UK and perhaps Europe, well at least until Ryanair start flying theirs.
I am booked on a TUI flight next summer that theoretically should be on a MAX but of course I can't be sure. There is a chance it won't even be back by then and if it is, TUI may not be operating all/any of theirs. |
The trouble is this is very different world. Even a birdstrike or tireburst by a MAX will be in the media to get headlines!
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TUI will probably drop the word MAX by time it enters service like RYR has done. There was talk about them considering it a few weeks back.
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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10635047)
That being said, TUI is definitely the most prominent operator of the MAX in the UK and perhaps Europe, well at least until Ryanair start flying theirs.
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Not that the public will know. But the max will be one of the most tested and scrutinised aircraft in years by the time it returns to service. Probably with a much tighter MEL and more specific procedures to make it a safe prospect. I.e a lot more scrutiny than perhaps even some other new build aircraft. Dont forget the 737 rudder hard-over accidents aswell. Hasn't stopped the billions of passengers since then.
I also doubt that many of TUIs customers will even know it's a Max until they turn up at the gate. And are they going to sacrifice their holiday and walk away at that point? Then again they may not book with tui at all to avoid the max altogether...... |
When the aircraft is allowed to fly paying passengers again no doubt the British press will mention which UK airline flies them so causing pre-booking damage. Removing the word Max from the side of the aircraft like Ryanair intend to do is an acceptance that many passengers would not be happy to fly in one so could be seen as an act of deception.
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I think some of you are vastly underestimating the travelling public re TUI MAX.
Did you read the TUI social media accounts pre the grounding? I suggest you do, so have a look at their Facebook and Twitter back in March, both of which exploded with 1000's of TUI customers who were wanting to cancel and the pressure from them on TUI to do something was immense - The groundings followed within 48 hours when the CAA and EASA decided. Things are different now to the days of the DC-10 etc...(40 years ago) TUI UK Holidays have for many months now wiped clean on their media and online web pages for both Holidays and Flights (and Our Fleet info) any reference to the fact TUI operated the MAX, or in fact that have any at all. (8 UK reg'd a/c grounded in UK and 1 in TFS plus a load more brand new ones parked up at Boeing) Therefore the likelihood of TUI re-branding their aircraft when a RTS is effected is probable. (Ryanair have now used the tag 737-8 200 for their new fleet, having painted out the word MAX on their completed aircraft parked up at Boeing) The MAX tag has tainted the 737, and will never be used on any other new Boeing model aircraft. TUI may quietly just release their 737-8 and 737-10 back online as a 737 when the ban is lifted - dropping any reference to MAX. |
Comparing the height of apparent hysteria and now with, presumably, a safe fix is irrelevant. As I said, very few will change their travel plans as a result at this stage. Otherwise airlines and their far more detailed public research departments would not continue to order and plan to operate, social media or not. |
I agree. I’m not Jo Public, but with a TUI holiday booked on what could be a MAX aircraft, I’m nervous. Logic tells me not to be nervous and logic also tells me I couldn’t be that nervous otherwise I wouldn’t have booked up. BUT, I am. And as a frequent flyer with nearly 700 flights behind me, this is unusual... I hope someone in marketing is working hard on how to bring the planes back with minimum fuss and connection to the past otherwise I think the powers of social media could do TUI some damage. In the meantime, I hope my flight isn’t on a MAX and on my regular bookings with work, I will avoid it unless there is no sensibly priced alternative. |
When it gets airborne again, the Max will be the safest aircraft in the sky...
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10635629)
When it gets airborne again, the Max will be the safest aircraft in the sky...
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