I'd also consider the wider implications, Jet2 insurance might over you for the trip. However if you have other medical insurance at home and travel in breach of FCO guidance, suffering a malady that has sequelae requiring treatment at home, you may not be covered.

I would think that for the relatively few people that may affect the best thing would be to enquire of your U.K. medical insurance provider. Travelling to a country to which the FCO advises not to travel due to COVID 19 doesn’t increase your chances of catching Malaria or Hepatitis (for example), and we are talking only about destinations that Jet2 fly to, not disease ridden war zones where the FCO might sensibly advise against travel. As we all know, it is more dangerous for anyone from the apparently COVID free areas of London and the South to travel to the North of England than to many holiday destinations 🙁

Seems some operators are not helping themselves this year by the sounds of it. Some friends (a couple) just returned from Greece on Sat with J2 having nervously decided to "go for it" in these odd times. Sadly, it seems like it was a nightmare of total chaos, unannounced accommodation changes, and general confusion (and dire standards generally) from start to finish - the flights were the only bits that worked as advertised/expected.

None of the issues appeared Covid-related - just appeared to be bad organisation on the ground with one poor Rep who, apparently, was beside herself as, despite her best efforts, she was simply overwhelmed by the sheer number of problems she was trying to resolve at once. The friends, who felt really sorry for the Rep, are now co-ordinating a group complaint from no less than 30 people who they met in various queues when trying to sort things out!!!!

No need to dissect what went wrong here - let J2 pick up the complaint when it hits them. But, surely, with things the way they are, Companies will have capacity to ensure those trips that do go ahead work well. Still, on the bright side, apparently it has made going back to work a pleasure!!!! :uhoh:

Jet2 have just axed the entire UK - New York festive schedule which was due to start shortly.

AGP and ALC cancelled until February. FAO is flight only until the end of season.

And who can be surprised, the USA is demanding quarantine on arrival, and if you're going for a long weekend, there's little point if the quarantine period is longer than the trip. Added to that NY is in the throws of a second wave.

thought there was talk of a travel corridor to NYC in time for the holidays?

That’s a real shame. Jet2 have a reputation for excellent customer service. I hope your friends get their issues sorted with minimal stress.

I have to say my experience of Jet2 could not be better.

I really hope it gets sorted too - but more for Jet2's sake tbh.

I too have heard really good things about Jet2 over the years (sadly, not had the chance to use them myself) and, to their credit, they have been quiet an unsung success story in the Industry over the past few years which is fantastic to see and so I really found it v. odd myself. Seems our friends booked in one place, were changed to another on arrival without notice then were moved to a 3rd I think after "problems" in the 2nd. As I say, not for here to determine details - Jet2 can do that.

But, clearly, it could be locally caused issues with the local hotels etc, etc, etc - that's my gut feel. I guess a possible warning is, in these difficult times, they (Jet2 and others) can't rely on a local supply base (i.e. facilities etc) they have used in the past to come back on line efficiently and to then operate as they used to operate. Their suppliers (the hotels) may need better (more) oversight as things open up until "normality" returns. What you took for granted pre-Covid, may need extra investment (in terms of oversight/mentoring) as things slowly re-open to make sure your suppliers ramp up smoothly while meeting your standards. It sounds like the poor Rep at Hotel 2(?) was dumped in it and needs a medal for at least trying to help.

These are horrendous times to run an airline/travel business and absolutely dire for all staff and those in the associated supply chain. The one thing you need to do is to be really aware, as a front-end supplier like Jet2, of the difficulties your complete supply chain may have as it ramps up. It may not come back on line as quickly/smoothly as you'd like - I'd not be surprised if that may be the case here. Trouble is, those 30 people don't see it that way - they just think Jet2 is rubbish right now - which is probably unfair on Jet2.

Anyway, that's from this weekend - up to Jet2 to take this on board as appropriate. Cheers, H 'n' H

I recall it being discussed weeks ago, but with New York experiencing a new wave of infections, and the UK, especially the Midlands and North, where most of the Jet2 flights were originating, the whole concept of short breaks to NY are now fanciful.

Seems to me that Jet2, and others, could look at their flight timings during this recession - 6am takeoffs are not everybodys cup of tea.

A high number of schedule timing changes have taken place, to increase the “friendly flight times” where the reduction of capacity allows.

One of the big problems with the market at the moment is the lack of any guarantee that you will be able to return - something which jet2 have just illustrated by abandoning rather than consolidating their flights to Spain and Portugal. Presumably there were people booked on these flights who now have to find some other way to get home.

Since Jet2 have not offered flights to Spain or Portugal for months, it is highly unlikely they have any guests wanting to get home from there. There may be a handful of seat only but that will be it. They are cancelling the entire programme. People will be offered an alternative destination or a refund,

Jet2 have just announced a few new routes for summer 2021

Birmingham - Amsterdam = 2x weekly Mon & Fri
Birmingham - Jersey = 1x weekly Sat
East Midlands - Jersey = 1x weekly Sat
London Stansted - Jersey = 2x weekly Tue & Sat
Manchester - Jersey = 3x weekly Tue, Thu & Sat
Newcastle - Jersey = 1x weekly Sat

1700 meters is that not a bit challenging for the -800?

Manage ok off JSI at the same length.

I’d imagine STN-JER will be a pretty short flight.

Even further for NCL although believe Jet2 have SFP 800’s!

Enter Air had weight issues operating a NCL-JER charter last year and had to leave pax behind (though the charter was for the Newcastle Falcons, so maybe not average pax weights... :eek:)

Biggest issue isn’t take off, but potentially RLM with a wet runway.

Enter Air 737-800 flights leaving out of Skiathos JSI normally operate with split pax loads (Sunvil Holidays)
They fly LGW-JSI then on to Lemnos, Chios or Volos, then direct back to LGW thus a/c is light out of JSI and they fuel up at the next island.
Other 738 operators also do split loads at JSI -
Neos, Blue Panorama, TUI Fly, Smartwings, SAS, Transavia, all flying in to JSI then on to Mykonos, Karpathos, Chios, Lemnos or Santorini

If they do ever operate non-stop back to UK then usually flight will be not full, as both 73NG and A320/321 are payload limited out of JSI.
They will normally though Tech stop on the way home at places like SKG CFU PVK KVA VOL or occasionally ATH.
757 has no such issues operating in or out of JSI
Smartwings are using a 737-700 on Charter Flights to tiny Paros Island (1400m) from Prague, but fuel up at JTR for the return.
Payload limited to 120 pax (148 pax is full capacity)


737-800 and 737- MAX had been flying in and out of Jersey for a local Tour Operator to Spain and TFS in the recent past.


UK - JER flights will likely not have loads of bags, nor need a load of fuel.
Jet2 maybe using their 737-300 which does not have too many issues in or out of JER

The 733s are currently only based at LBA, and may have been retired by the time next year comes about

As advised no B733`s at STN & 4 positioning flights to operate twice a week removes part of the economic reality certainly when there are `800s STN based .

Looks like Jet2 have axed the planned services from Manchester & London Stansted to Trivat in Montenegro & Zadar in Croatia for summer 2021

Local press enthusiastically covering the Jersey service.

For what it`s worth quote 6000 seats over 35 flights which equates to an `800 then & slightly seat limited but perhaps the figures quoted are rounded for press release.

But it is a B738 then which makes perfect commercial sense.

EXS still quoting 42 destinations from STN next year.

Could some flights be operated on a W pattern with LBA on a 733?

I don’t think Jersey has (yet) been announced for LBA.

LBA was the only airport Jet2 flew from to Jersey prior to the new bases being added, and LBA will continue next year, although it is normally flown on a 300

I don't think the actual loads are going to be the main concern making money, the main concern is going to be the weather.
There will be plenty of weekends when they won't be able to get in or out because of the weather.

what between May - Sept?

Surely if there will be “plenty” of days they won’t be able to get in/out, it would make no sense to operate it? Why would they launch a new route if there was a significant chance they wouldn’t be able to get there? That would cause all sorts of problems for passengers and crew, as well as obviously the airline as there would be significant cost associated with diversion/cancellation.

Apologies, I didn’t realise they already had a LBA-JER flight. In that case, yes they may operate W-patterns. Flight timings would surely be a giveaway?

I used to love the Jersey W patterns at Bmibaby EMA-JER-CWL-JER-EMA that was a nice day out and we used to quite often see the same pax inbound as than what was on the outbound.

We had an aircraft go tech one week and spend time chatting to some of the pax, Who advised it was perfect for them they could fly to Jersey have their meeting and be back at home by 6pm and we used to have some regular customers that came on the Duty Free run each week

Yes "stewyb" l guarantee that there will be days between May and September that they will not be able to land.
I remember from way back when BMI used to operate from Luton to Jersey during the summer months, when they had long delays and the odd day they could not get in.
Some might remember BA operating a Tristar into Jersey to try and clear a backlog due to weather cancellations.
"ROC10" Airlines will always operate to airports that are prone to weather issues, even if some might say it makes no sense.
Jet2 already operate to an airport that some might say is a risk because of weather, Funchal is that airport.

I remember this, as a young lad who happened to be on holiday in Guernsey at the time. I think it was in August, late 70's. It made the news on both islands.

3x JET2 flights on Saturday 31 October from MAN to RHODES (and more than one a day on other days too) - maxing out the few destinations they can get to for a final hurrah this summer?

Flights to HER added back into the schedule for a few weeks too. People still want to go away. The A321 made its first trip to PFO yesterday from MAN and went out full, all with negative COVID tests too. People just want to get away for a well deserved break wherever they can go.

Don't think you are correct, no Airbus flight to PFO today! P

[QUOTE=Mr @ Spotty M;10905959]Yes "stewyb" l guarantee that there will be days between May and September that they will not be able to land.
I remember from way back when BMI used to operate from Luton to Jersey during the summer months, when they had long delays and the odd day they could not get in.
Some might remember BA operating a Tristar into Jersey to try and clear a backlog due to weather cancellations.

This might help, August 1979 I believe. 16000 passengers were stranded on Jersey, I took this on the day.


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