I have a trip booked with Jet2 in the Autumn,how long will the wearing a mask on an aircraft be going on for will i have to wear it come Sept/Oct.

Masks will be around for considerable time yet, potentially until a vaccine (if found) is in wide circulation.

Novelty in Palma: the first A321 in Jet2's fleet. The A321s G-HLYF about to land on 24L an hour ago....with sharklets

photo to follow ... (in holidays livery)

My experience in Hong Kong with SARS was around 18 months, so get used to it I am afraid. It becomes second nature after awhile, but I did not expect to have to do it again in my life time, so I do feel a little unlucky and cheesed off.
Kind regards
Mr Mac

That's a pity to hear and hope you're well. I've been getting used to it here too. It is just something we will have to live with. All the best.

This article only refers to US registered 737NGs- presumably it would apply to Jet 2 NGs too(?) unless they are different ? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...H27SJClCM8jhOk

Without knowing the distribution of the 2000 affected aircraft, I suppose it could apply to any 737 Classic or NG aircraft (basically every 737 currently in service).

Surprising that the problem can affect aircraft idle for as few as seven days, considering it is certainly not unheard of for aircraft to be idle for that long even pre-COVID.

Just been reading up on Jet2 redundancies, apart from BA and Virgin... both long haul, they seem to be the only airline reducing their head count. TUI, managed to agree a deal to keep at their pilots.

Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction judging by everyone else.

G-DRTZ arrived back at EMA today, unhappy with the Paint Job.

What about Easyjet?

i don’t think it’s a jerk reaction. They are making airbus pilots (as well as Boeing) redundant because they no longer have the aircraft. Don’t forgot they planned to have 6 or 7 a321’s by this point and now only have 1. Extra 757’s are going as well as not getting as many 2nd hand 800’s as predicted. Also Jet2 crew to 100% - meaning they have the right amount of crew per aircraft to even have airport standbys and home standby so day off payments are not common whereas at other airlines they don’t crew to 100% because it is easier to offer day off payments meaning less permanent staff required and less full time overheads such as pension etc. TUI charter a lot of extra capacity which they won’t be no longer whilst their crew are taking a pay cut(over 12month pay cut)

Try reading up a bit more then. Try looking into EasyJet, RyanAir, Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, Emirates, Etihad, etc, etc. In fact TUI seem to be the only ones not facing this issue. Curious as to what their plans actually are given they announced 8,000 job cuts globally and recently disclosed plans for fleet reduction in Germany?

easyJet- what a mess. Not worth mentioning yet.

Ryanair- no redundancies 20% pay cut for all pilots and kept the head count

Lufthansa, SAS, Emirates ect. Completely different market.

TUI saw sense and realised that IATA predict the Short haul market will back back to pre Covid levels by mid summer ‘21. Keep the headcount and keep their market share. Enough reading for you?

That’s what €1.8bn in state aid can do for you!

It’s not state aid, it’s a loan, which will obviously have to be repaid.

The difference between Jet2 and TUI is that TUI are carrying a surplus until at least next summer, paid for by the pilots, who have voted to take pay cuts until Oct 21 to avoid any pilots having to enter a non-existent job market. Jet2 pilots I believe will only be on reduced pay until the end of the year but won’t carry a surplus as they’re making redundancies. Two different approaches to the same problem.

This will be a ball and chain for TUI until it is repaid. TCX didn't manage very well with their £1b bankloan.

According to what Jet2 have told Balpa and the workforce they are carrying a surplus of 450 pilots who will remain furloughed until end of October and then be brought back to working, although they say they don’t need that many until next summer. At the moment reduced pay until end of the year but can’t see it going back up in January, expect there will be more “negotiation” when they see how this summer works out and what bookings for 2021 are looking like...

Spanish quarantine back for whole UK. Not good news for Jet2.

I suppose it remains to be seen whether programmes are axed for the summer or if flights are offered with pax travelling at their own risk and having to quarantine. Regardless, numbers will be considerably lower as many cannot quarantine for 14 days on arrival.

TUI have laid off crew.
I know a few cabin crew which were seasonal and they have all been laid off as soon as lockdown happened

The quarantine is one way, isn't it? Back into the UK?

Yeah and not even furloughed!!

Can temporary staff be furloughed?

Yes, but that is dependent on when they started their employment.

Any thoughts on the Jet2 handling of the Spain FCO guidance and air bridge changes?

The Covid pledge on the website guaranteed quarantine-free holidays has vanished from the website, and people booked to go to the spanish islands been told to turn up as normal or cancel under the standard T&Cs.

Those going to mainland Spain have the option to go anyway (Presume this would invalidate any travel insurance), or get a refund/credit. .

https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news...moves-22417601

J2H website: Following the latest government advice regarding travel to the UK from Spain, we are advising customers to arrive for their flights as normal, as we are continuing to operate our scheduled programme to and from Mainland Spain, the Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands.

We are still operating holidays to four destinations in Mainland Spain (Costa de Almeria, Costa Blanca, Costa del Sol and Costa Calida), which are open and are located away from areas which have been impacted by increased cases of Covid-19. In light of the updated advice from the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO), we are providing customers travelling to these four destinations with a number of options including continuing with their travel as planned, a refund credit note, a fee free amendment, or a refund.

If you’re due to travel to Mainland Spain before 9 August 2020 and want to amend your booking, please see your options in Manage My Booking.

We are also continuing to operate holidays to our destinations in the Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands as scheduled. Because the FCO travel advice to these destinations remains unchanged, our usual terms and conditions apply. As always, we advise customers to purchase appropriate travel insurance before travelling.

This is a fast-moving situation, which we are continuing to monitor very closely.

I think the Government has this wrong AGAIN. The Islands are ok and should of been exempt.

What about a CV test before returning? Cheaper than losing the holiday.

However to put customers into an area against FO advice.............is that wise? Does it leave us open.
Market hammered share price down 12%

what a mess

The mainland areas where JET2 operate flights are OK too and have a low incidence of infections, lower than in England. Spain isn't the size of a postage stamp but near on twice the size of the UK, so passengers to Malaga, Almeria and Alicante are most unlikely to visit Barcelona or the north west of Spain, as it is simply too far, where there have been outbreaks, which are now under control. JET2 are giving passengers booked to the mainland the option to cancel or delay their holiday and thus cover their backs by allowing the passenger the final decision. This is far better than cancelling all flights until early August awaiting further last minute decisions from the UK Government and causing unnecessary disruption to passengers' travel plans and upheaval of the flight programmes.

The Share Market's reaction will be short lived, as it has reacted to the Government announcement. JET2's decision to maintain all their Spanish destination flights could be described as an advantageous marketing process that will draw passengers away from their competition.

The problem for the UK government is that their (rather clunky) arrival form only caters for entering countries (Spain, Germany etc) that have been visited, rather than regions so as much as the Dept for Transport might want to exempt Balearics and Canaries from quarantine the Home Office form will have to be updated to allow that. Once they have amended the online form I imagine that island groups such as these could once again be exempt from quarantine regulations. It might be a good move for them to sort out the software as otherwise, if cases spike in, say, Athens, all the Greek islands could wind up being tarred with the same brush.

Its a Government cover all that i think, for once they have got right. Its about this time that the big cities, some more affected than other, are emptying to the Balearics and Canaries. On arrival there are no checks on passenger health when coming in on an internal flight..Sobering thought eh?..Yes its going to hammer share prices, but so what, they will recover. Some people might not. But really anyone going abroad for just sun and sand do so at their own risk and should be grown up enough to assess the risks before they go..Just to point out the Norwegian Government have imposed the same restrictions on their nationals as well..
The French PM said this mornng that they are considering re introduction of lockdown....Batten down the hatches time.

Easyjet and Dart Group share price both down about 10% at the moment due to the current uncertainty.
They will recover in due course but may take some time.
Dart Group have previously been alot lower.

All holidays to mainland Spain now cancelled until 16th August.
Spanish Islands still going ahead as normal, despite the promise not to fly to anywhere you need to quarantine upon return.

Update from J2H website:Following the latest government advice regarding travel to Mainland Spain from the UK, we have taken the decision to suspend our holidays programme to Costa de Almeria, Costa Blanca, Costa del Sol and Costa Calida from 28th July up to and including 16th August 2020.

Where customers are affected by any programme changes, we’ve been repeatedly recognised by media, consumer organisations and customers for how we have been looking after customers, offering the option to rebook with no admin fee, Refund Credit Notes or full cash refunds, and we will be contacting customers to discuss these options. We will also contact customers who are currently in Mainland Spain to advise them of their options regarding flying back to the UK, so we urge customers not to contact us.

For customers who are due to travel to Mainland Spain from 17th August onwards, we will provide an additional update once we receive further information from the government. We urge the government to provide the industry with clarity, so that we can keep our all-important customers up-to-date and informed.

We are continuing to operate holidays to our destinations in the Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands as scheduled. Because the FCO travel advice to these destinations remains unchanged, our usual terms and conditions apply. As always, we advise customers to purchase appropriate travel insurance before travelling.

This is a fast-moving situation, which we are continuing to monitor very closely. We would like to thank our customers for their understanding and patience.

I was booked to travel to Spain on package holiday with Jet2 in a couple of weeks and this morning I received an email giving me the option of travelling, changing my booking, getting a credit or a cash refund. Considering this was announced on Saturday, I think that it is a pretty good response. Thank you Jet2 and I hope I will be travelling with you again soon.

As an aside, I've noticed that the media are focusing on the two week quarantine on return. I was fine with that, but the FCO is now advising against all non essential travel. I believe that invalidates my travel insurance and is the reason I've changed my plans. Why isn't that being highlighted?

Flights to Faro also suspended until 16th August

Non essential travel advice has just been extended to the Balearics and Canaries.

Jet2 are saying they aren’t taking outbound pax to Spanish destinations. But what if you have flight only and want to travel (and are happy to make your own way home) or if you live in Spain and are trying to return? Surely if the plane is flying there anyway to repatriate it would do no harm to take these people?

Balearic & Canary Islands now suspended:

Exactly what I would have thought. If you booked independently then you have hopefully have made your own personal risk assessment and will be comfortable with the contingencies you have made, especially as you would be flying after the government advice, and quarantine regulations have been reinstated.

I suspect HMG has leaned upon them.

Isn't it a condition of travel that you have insurance? When the FCO says states don't travel to XXX then you won't have any insurance.

I don't think so. Cancelling the flights puts the blame of people losing their holidays onto the Governmemt but if Jet2 carried on flying then it would look like Jet2 didnt care and just want their money regardless as the passengers would then have to claim off thier travel insurance as Jet2 would not have to refund anyone.
Could Jet2 just have cancelled the holiday bookings but keep the flight only ones like Easyjet are doing maybe to give people the option.

That's precisely what I meant. Package holidays being what they are, it would have been totally untenable to allow them to go ahead if FCO advice is against all but essential travel, and insurance policies are then null and void. As it is, in not taking anyone at all Jet2 are going to get clobbered by people who have booked flight only and "take to social media" to complain.