Really?! How? I’ve seen 8 pax jump on an EZY to Menorca, two of which had usefully purchased speedy boarding

I doubt they would operate from Egypt via Crete unless they changed the crew - they don’t have enough duty hours.....

I suppose it depends upon whether Jet2 views it's business as an IT operators that sells seat only as a side line, or a scheduled operator that sells blocks of seats to it's in-house IT operator. As I recall it started as the latter, but now appears to have morphed into the former. Ryanair a definitely very much an airline first; but it looks as though EasyJet are looking looking to move much more in the direction and the package holiday sector.

Time it right, and you can get 13hours 30minutes out of a crew on a 3 Sector extended FDP

Yeah possibly but lots of scope for it to go t*ts up......esp if flying to MAN or Scotland

Having had experience of the easyJet package holiday, I'm not sure that it can work out for them.

Package holidays for the most part are aimed at families and couples who want an easy experience where everything is looked after for you and you can sit back and relax from the minute you arrive at the airport until you leave UK arrivals a couple of weeks later. To ensure the customer gets that experience you have to invest in making your operation one that focuses on the customer and getting repeat business, not one that focuses on the absolute bottom line of cost. Since EZY are a true low-cost operator (which will still be most of their business), they always have and always will focus their airline on that bottom line - the cheapest handling contract, the cheapest staff at the other end, cheapest transport experience to resorts, and so on. Everything is a cheap 3rd party supplier to maximise that profit against cheaper airfares on it's seat only stuff.

Jet2 / J2Holidays operates in the opposite way, vertical integration with most of the operation done by in-house departments - total focus on providing the best customer experience to ensure repeat custom. The seat only stuff will never make the same profit margins as EZY as it's a whole different model.

As I say, I've done the EZY package and it was a painful experience - one that might suit young couples on city breaks with different expectations, but certainly not the majority of IT customers such as families and older couples who have saved up all year for their relaxing week in the Med.

Anyone know how many aircraft are fully owned and paid for in the Jet 2 group.
thanks in advance

Not sure, but this may help, Page 22 of Dart Leasing and Finance Limited, Annual accounts 2019, shows total borrowings of $ 706,727,000.00

I would say more, but for some strange reason, I am vilified as anti Jet2 by some members, nothing could be further than the truth, I was involved in the start of Jet 2 and have a lot of time for them. But people hate the truth, its like poetry.

Brian

its as clear as mud!
The answer I think is Zero they are all leased from the parent company?

is that right

Hi Castleford,
Yep that's my understanding, much like lots of other airlines. Of course Dart Leasing are a Ltd Company with only 3 officers, I think. Totally disconnected from the airline/holiday operation. Makes.life easier if you need to liquidate. Let's hope.not though.

I'm not sure what Dart Leasing to Jet2plc direct ownership is, but if you just look at fleet it's self I know that the 757-200 are bought outright along with the 737-300's. I'm not sure on the chunk of 737-800's are owned or leased. I would imagine some of the very first ones are cash bought by the company, the rest are probably leased.

If we assume that the Dart Group is the holding company for all JET2 business, funding and leasing, then aircraft leased from external lessors are 15 B738s and 3 Airbus321s (two of which are in storage). The names of the individual lessors are available.

Storage?
 

Heard through the grapevine 6x B757 and 5x B733 will be flown to Murcia over the course of next month. Presumably for storage?

That's correct

Is that a euphemism for Scrap and part out or do they have any life left in them that might interest say 3rd world countries?

They will be back to Jet2, they are only being moved to a warmer climate for storage during the winter months.

Oh what a wonderful thought!!

Does that mean all the 75 crews will be restreamed or laid off?

Nothing wrong with these aircraft, they are well maintained and looked after!

J2 are crewing for what they think they need for the winter. I think UK aviation will be shut down again within a matter of days anyway. Hope Rishi has got very deep pockets.

I think the question is whether they will ever be needed in the foreseeable future. These aircraft are surely prime candidates for withdrawal should things fail to improve, or get worse as looks likely. The only blessing for now is that the Canaries are back, but that may be short-lived, and regardless, demand this winter (and possibly next summer) will be far lower than usual.

Agreed that "should things fail to improve", that the B733s and the B757s would be prime candidates for withdrawal BUT if the JET2 management considered that the summer of 2021 was going to be a disaster. However, before retiring wholly owned aircraft that are in good condition, surely it would have been better to delay or even stop the recent leasing of two A321s and /or return some of the 15 B738s they lease from external lessors.

The snippets of news are that summer 2021 is shaping up very well and that all the fleet will be needed to cover the season......things could of course be upset if the COVID-19 vaccine is delayed and even the BREXIT negotiations could cause a major issue but as things stand at the moment, it is said, that bookings for summer 2021 are good.

Apparently they weren’t able to get out of the A321 leases but I’m sure they really wished they could. Regarding the newer 738s, assuming Jet2 survive the next year or two, these will be the core fleet going forward and are more sustainable in the longer term.

Looks like all holidays are going to be cancelled from Thursday.

Hopefully flights from Northern Ireland will continue as no restrictions in place at moment

And Scotland?

The announcements tonight don’t apply to Scotland but I think from Monday, under the new tiered system, non-essential international travel may be banned from Tier 3+ areas. I may be wrong though, I’d need to check. TUI have flown a 737 up to ABZ in preparation for a Sunday flight to TFS which would suggest they were planning to operate under the new tiered system, although I believe Aberdeen is Tier 2.

This is incorrect, Jet2 are fully crewed (flight deck wise) for their summer 2021 schedule.

That is correct. But lots of people aren't being brought back on line for the winter as they aren't required.

Figures in Scotland have been relatively positive this last week. The exponential rise in cases has stopped. Cases have levelled off at around 1000-1200 a day for the past week or so. Hospital admissions are only averaging around 40-50 admissions a day. On top of all that, ICU numbers have been steady at around 80 patients for the last week.

Scotland seem to be managing the second wave well, the Scottish Government have said they’re cautiously optimistic. Therefore, further more restrictive measures don’t appear to be on the horizon.

Number of cases in Scotland are pretty high considering the central belt has effectively been in soft lockdown for the past 3 weeks.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7c94d12fa6.png
Number of positive cases clearly going in the right direction.

Graph is from the Scottish Government website.

To get back on track, this data is clear evidence that Jet2 have a great opportunity to continue flights from Scotland despite the English lockdown.

Today sees the start of the B737-300’s positioning out to RMU for winter storage. FM currently on route to there now. 1st B757-200 going tomorrow - GLSAN from MAN.

Returning Flight Crew?
 

Totally, truly anorak question, sorry - how does the flight crew get back to UK? Commercial as Pax with another airline or is there another (unseen on FR) Jet2 aircraft running with it?
Fascinated to understand how the logistics work in situations like this. Especially as Spain is a No Go area re Covid.

I would imagine they’ll return on another airline. It would seem awfully wasteful to send another aircraft out there just to come straight back, besides I think it would appear on FR24 if that was the case. The only case where that may make sense is if they wait a few days until there are several crew members out there and then it may be more justifiable to send one of their aircraft out to collect them.

most likely stick them onto FR ALC flights, cheap enough

RMU looks like Ryanair territory. Maybe come back tonights MAN flight.
If crew remained airside they'd be exempt from 14 day quarantine.
Wouldn't they?

We crossed. Lol
same idea.

I’m pretty sure that as the crew will be returning “on duty/duty travel” that they will be exempt from the 14 day quarantine.

They will come back on A N Other commercial flight, and as they are operating crew they are exempt from the quarantine required for “normal” passengers.