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Originally Posted by 29Alpha
(Post 10214733)
u have to be careful about this, special assistance isnt really disability, vertigo and other medical conditions can warrant special assistance.
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My guess is some wheelchairs are wider in the UK than other places hence obese people can’t fit in them so they have to waddle off the aircraft at the other end. |
Originally Posted by Ivan aromer
(Post 10214778)
Come on! Its people playing the system. We all do it to a greater or lesser extent. Who hasn't tried it on? Who travels with an gigantic "carry on" baggage plus a large handbag and get VERY huffy when its declined. Most of the time you get away with it. Dont you! In this specific Jet2 incident, the boy is 10 years old and he has The medical condition and it's effects are very obvious at age 10 and particularly if his parents went to the effort of requesting special assistance when booking with Jet2 and their booking confirmation will have been issued including special assistance requests then Jet2 have a contractual duty of care to ensure the passengers requiring special assistance needs are handled accordingly. It is Jet2's responsibility to review the passenger manifest and identify passengers presenting for boarding as requiring special assistance are provided the required assistance at the boarding gate by collaboration with the despatcher and ground handling agents. I do not accept an airline can absolve their duty of care particularly towards vulnerable passengers who have specifically requested special assistance, especially in cases where there is a medical necessity. If the handling agent are responsible then this shouldn't have been allowed develop had the cabin manager checked to ensure special assistance passengers were on the manifest and taken direct responsibility to ensure the passenger was provided dignity and respect in the provision of services. End of. Jet2 have questions to answer, as too does the handling partner in their processes and procedures. |
Surely the Cabin Manager was at 37,000ft en route when the passenger was checking in. Just how could it be his responsibility?
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Originally Posted by gojmc
(Post 10214259)
menzies don’t handle Easyjet at Liverpool, It’s a dedicated opetation from smart handling (swissport, previously servisair). Omniserve provide PRM assistance and have a really good reputation. Apologies, typo error, meant Swissport ..still awful |
Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 10215083)
Does any one bother to read the news article?
Jet 2 were aware of the request from the passnger but had failed to forward that information to the handling agents in Croatia. They have held their hands up and accepted responsibility, it was an administrative mistake. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215218)
But the parents have to go running to the media. Regrettably this is becoming a regular occurrence with the disability sector of the population. 99.9% of the population would have accepted the apology.
Jet2 clearly made a mistake, admitted it, apologised and offered a generous gift voucher. Parents highly offended and said its not about money... well what is it about? They had an apology. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215218)
But the parents have to go running to the media. Regrettably this is becoming a regular occurrence with the disability sector of the population. 99.9% of the population would have accepted the apology.
These days with Twitter, everybody having a reasonable quality stills/movie camera on their phone it's pretty easy for the media to pick up stories and the pictures to back them up. Even if the parents did wilfully chase media coverage it's hardly behaviour unique to those with disabilities or their carers. Getting it in the public eye emphasises the message to this airline to up its game and will be a salutatory reminder to the others too. Did Jet2 'fes up and apologise/compensate before the headlines were hit ? I'd say the most egregious chasers of media coverage are 'wronged' motorists: Roofer fined by London council for having a rubbish bag in his van | London - ITV News As ever the 'wronged' is in his head. He works in a field, roofing, that generates trade waste; he needs a permit. |
Originally Posted by Lee J
(Post 10215257)
I read the article and wondered... what is it the parents want.
Jet2 clearly made a mistake, admitted it, apologised and offered a generous gift voucher. Parents highly offended and said its not about money... well what is it about? They had an apology. |
Originally Posted by Curious Pax
(Post 10215372)
Perhaps they want to try an reduce the chances of another family in a similar situation being treated like that. Recall your cynicism when politicians say ‘lessons will be learned ‘. Publicity around events like these increases the chances that they actually will be. Seems reasonable.... |
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10215453)
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10215453)
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
mik3bravo You clearly have an issue with low cost carriers which may be clouding the issue:- Originally Posted by mik3bravo People buy a cheap low cost airline ticket for £19 or something ridiculously cheap and then expect Emirates and Marriot hotel services when it goes wrong. People need to wake up. You know what you're getting into when you buy a low cost ticket. Personally I would never use any low cost airline unless as last resort. I certainly have never and will never use any of them for holiday travels especially if you are travelling with children, yet there are people out there who do it and know full well the chances they take but are thrilled to book their Sun holiday family flights for as cheap as chips but go nuts when it goes wrong. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215498)
A mistake was made, an apology issued and a discount of £300 offered off the families next booking with Jet2. That should have been the end of the matter.
mik3bravo You clearly have an issue with low cost carriers which may be clouding the issue:- |
Please, Everyone, can we drop this now.
Jet2 have apologised and offered compensation (money off next booking). Out of all the UK airlines, i would imagine Jet2 would be the best suited to take this on board and learn from it. If this happened on FR/U2 for example, nothing would get done Simple errors occur every day, and yes it's a shame they've run to the media. If only everyone else kept their problems to themselves as well. |
Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10213975)
Outrageous behaviour:
http://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked-to-prove-disability-for-jet2-flight-11459188 The employees involved should be placed on performance improvement programs and 'managed out' of the company rather sharply. Disgusting carry on! Even if the family hadn't pre-advised of the EMD there is a procedure to accept them "on the day". Jet2 take all reasonable steps to make sure the people representing them in airports where they do not have their own staff are trained in and follow the Jet2 procedures. If the handling agent did not do so then they must accept the bulk of the blame in this case. It is perfectly normal practice for airlines to use third party handling and those agents have a responsibility to fully carry out their obligations to their customers i.e. the airlines. |
Whats the big deal with Jet2's new 738s ? Newcastle one of the bigger bases that just never see them. We had JZHU for about 5 days then its ended up back at LBA. Would of thought they would of been based everywhere by now.
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10220915)
Whats the big deal with Jet2's new 738s ? Newcastle one of the bigger bases that just never see them. We had JZHU for about 5 days then its ended up back at LBA. Would of thought they would of been based everywhere by now.
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Jet2 the future
im sure this topic has been done to death but I’m just curious to know if there is any further clarity on where Jet2 goes in the future?! with the relatively sudden and speedy expansion of bases into both BHX & STN, these new bases (equating to 23 a/c between them in 2019) will have taken a majority of the new 737NG orders resulting in the need for Jet2 to slow down the retirement of their 737-300 units. This also resulted in them leading in a/c including A330’s and A321’s. As a BHX follower, they have grown massively from 4x a/c in 2017 to 11x a/c in 2019, but in the wake of the loss of MON, there is still tonnes of latent demand available for Jet2 to have a go at if they wanted to ...BCN, NCE, LIS, SXF, BUD to name a few. But with new aircraft orders coming to an end, what next? And when? i appreciate the rapid growth at their new bases will slow over time, but equally I see them as a shrewd airline keen to seize opportunities. They have been a saviour to BHX! So are we looking at a 737Max order soon? |
I can see more expansion at STN, especially as people are trying to avoid unreliable Ryanair for holiday destinations, I would say they would have no trouble at all filling another five aircraft at Stansted on a daily basis, just have to find some slots. |
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