Originally Posted by ericsson16
(Post 10755905)
Rubbish."There’s no need to travel cos major economies are in lockdown and are not and will not be open for leisure non essential travel this summer. Holidays this summer will be UK based, expect a good frequency on UK domestic but with" and so on.Total Buffoonery!
Now, I put my marketing analyst hat on and predict forward bookings for the summer will be on hold and it's almost May. What that means is that this summer is lost, not one penny will be made by any airline in the period. Aircraft will be likely be forced to fly with no meal service and with middle seats blocked. If we're taking social distancing seriously, every second row will have to remain empty. Hence the price point has to rise markedly suppressing what little demand there is. Even if the lockdown gets relaxed in three weeks, there will be no scent of commercial BAU until next summer peak at the very least and that assumes no second wave of COVID19. I am booked GLA-EWR in June which I suspect won't operate as United have announced GLA from July, which I suspect won't operate either. They're taking money in forward bookings to stay alive and giving out vouchers instead of refunds, my existing booking is already flagged as no meal service. Even if Trump allows us into the US, why would anyone book now not knowing if anything in New York will even be open? Theatres here are closed will the autumn at a minimum. I am hoping they cancel so I can chase a refund, no one in their right mind is BOOKING to go long haul in the near future and by the time we can book, it will be winter. And the problem European based airlines always have is, if you don't make money in summer, you go out of business. This is not buffoonery. Wisen up. |
Originally Posted by helipixman
(Post 10755872)
Qatar A350-941 A7-ALQ flew over my house into EDI on saturday 18.4.20 from Doha ? What was this flight ? Passenger ?
Thought they had stopped |
The strategies adopted by various countries can only reduce the infection rate to a level which their health and care system can manage, and which will let as much as possible of the real economy restart, by which I mean construction and manufacturing.
There will still be outbreaks, and the biggest risk for these is people moving around. Most long distance travel is a want, not a need. Even the Australian minister for tourism is not expecting anything before Christmas. I am astonished that anyone is still thinking that there will be any significant holiday market this summer, and the winter depends on a vaccine. |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10755400)
They’re not looking to open hospitality in this country, restaurants etc until the winter, they’ll be last.
EDIT: Apologies again, what's BAU? EDIT 2: 'Business as usual.' Got it :) |
Originally Posted by jensdad
(Post 10756040)
Sorry for thread drift away from aviation altogether, but who are 'they', and where did you hear that restaurants will not open until the winter? Not trying to be confrontational, just interested to know where you got your info from.
EDIT: Apologies again, what's BAU? EDIT 2: 'Business as usual.' Got it :) In all honesty NO-ONE not even the Givys of the UK know when this will end or what services will open. airlines themselves will be at the mercy of customers who remember how they were abandoned and left to struggle to get home and the refunds saga. Coupled with the mindset of the public who will still be looking for a Tenirfe flight with a retail price index of £50 one way sans extras. The airline industry is most at risk and we've not seen any real job losses yet. (Yes except Flybe pre covid-19) |
Originally Posted by jensdad
(Post 10756040)
Sorry for thread drift away from aviation altogether, but who are 'they', and where did you hear that restaurants will not open until the winter? Not trying to be confrontational, just interested to know where you got your info from.
EDIT: Apologies again, what's BAU? EDIT 2: 'Business as usual.' Got it :) 100% agree no one knows when or how this will end, that itself means any holidays this year will be UK based for most. Market confidence in air travel cannot return until we have either a vaccine (months or years) or it dies out (unlikely). |
Originally Posted by jensdad
(Post 10756040)
Sorry for thread drift away from aviation altogether, but who are 'they', and where did you hear that restaurants will not open until the winter? Not trying to be confrontational, just interested to know where you got your info from.
EDIT: Apologies again, what's BAU? EDIT 2: 'Business as usual.' Got it :) |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10756358)
Follow the senior political correspondents on twitter, and setting their politics aside, the government has been consistently giving out this message for some time. Any return to normality is gradual and phased, the message that the likes of pubs will be the last to open was signalled again this morning and is on mainstream media. So one pint in a pub for a half hour is dangerous, but somehow seven hours in a tube with recycled air is fine? No.
100% agree no one knows when or how this will end, that itself means any holidays this year will be UK based for most. Market confidence in air travel cannot return until we have either a vaccine (months or years) or it dies out (unlikely). Thanks also to SWB. Sorry for thread drift, back to EDI :) |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10755965)
Qatar are still operating as a connecting carrier, you can't enter Doha though.
BA has reduced its flights again. The only flights to LHR in the near future are; Thu-23-Apr BA1455 Sun-26-Apr BA1445 ... then from 29th April, they currently plan to return to a daily service. Air France flights are becoming more sporadic until Sun 31 May when they are currently planned to become daily again; Sun-26-Apr Mon-27-Apr Sun-03-May Tue-05-May Sat-09-May Tue-12-May Sat-16-May Wed-20-May Sun-24-May Wed-27-May KLM are scheduled to recommence a daily service from 4th May having suspended EDI services on 04/04. Their GLA flights are suspended after 3rd May. FR is still operating 4 flights a week to/from DUB. I expect all of these flights will be subject to change. AFAIK, there are no pax flights scheduled tomorrow or Wednesday. |
Looks like only two passenger flights to EDI today both early morning...
BA Airbus A320 (LHR) Ryanair 737 (DUB) Only other flight seen was an Irish Air Corps Pilatus PC12 IAC280 |
Given current freight rates, I'm almost surprised that it's not worth running Doha to export salmon and shellfish. No
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Originally Posted by inOban
(Post 10757265)
Given current freight rates, I'm almost surprised that it's not worth running Doha to export salmon and shellfish. No
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An E-3 AWACS has just passed my house on approach to EDI
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It was ZH101 dont think it landed, maybe touch and go or overshoot. Only other aircraft noted wre two Bizjets and a Beech 200.
Is this the first time recently no passenger flights ? and was the last time during the Icelandic volcano eruption ? |
Originally Posted by helipixman
(Post 10758502)
It was ZH101 dont think it landed, maybe touch and go or overshoot. Only other aircraft noted wre two Bizjets and a Beech 200.
Is this the first time recently no passenger flights ? and was the last time during the Icelandic volcano eruption ? |
I assume that the Aegean flight from Larnaca today is some kind of repatriation flight?
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Originally Posted by inOban
(Post 10764584)
I assume that the Aegean flight from Larnaca today is some kind of repatriation flight?
27 April Larnaca to Edinburgh 0300 - 0820 29 April Larnaca to Edinburgh 0300 - 0820 30 April Larnaca to Edinburgh 0300 - 0820 All of them repatriation flights on behalf of the Government. |
There is an RAF A400 (ZM415) in this afternoon making use of Edinburghs empty runway.
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EDI - post COVID-19
What are peoples thoughts on what EDI will look like post COVID-19 a year from now, assuming that the pandemic restrictions are relaxed?
Personally, apart from LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA & DUB and perhaps IST from the Flag carriers, as well as Loganair's Scottish flights, I think the rest of the routes could be (if you forgive the pun) up in the air. I hope I'm just being pessimistic and EDI will retain a lot more routes than it loses. |
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