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Originally Posted by Jetscream 32
(Post 10090364)
A rethink to what? Storing more really expensive Type IV fluid that has to come in by boat in the first place plus the training required for the application... This is the channel islands we are talking about not Heathrow.....
PS This is the Aurigny thread, not Guernsey Airport. Further discussion of this topic should be continued there. Pete |
Eastern Airways operate two Embraer 170.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 10097849)
Does anyone know if Aurigny's E195 is actually profitable, it seems strange that them along with Eastern Airways UK operate only 1 Embraer as well considering Flybe have 9 of them on very expensive leases.
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No need for another jet.
The E195 operates 4 rotations daily to Gatwick and back. It is supplemented by up to 3 ATR72 a day on the route. This gives the required number of seats per day on the route. The Gatwick route makes a profit for Aurigny unlike most of its others to Stansted, East Midlands, Bristol and Manchester from GCI, which are all marginal with pax numbers only justifying an ATR 72. There is no requirement for an additional jet in the fleet as its load factor would be well under 50% most of the time.
PS Not true that Gatwick is only regular route: Man is X2 daily, others are at X1 daily except at very off peak times. |
Just to clarify what I said, Pete; Guernsey - Gatwick is the only regular route that the E195 operates. I think I am correct in that statement.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 10097973)
I was only asking about if the E195 was profitable, Myself I hardly see the need for it they would have been better off to contract out the route to Flybe who have plenty of capacity.
It would not be politically possible for the Guernsey government to give the "lifeline" London hub airport route to Gatwick to FlyBE who have proved in the past they are prepared to sell the slots to the highest bidder and leave Guernsey reliant for its international banking visitors to fly from Stansted or other "inferior" airports. |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 10098010)
True but Flybe did this to a lot of routes, Newquay to Gatwick which is now paid for by a government grant, Gatwick to Newcastle(axed by Flybe)
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 10098060)
I was just saying that, not suggesting thats what Guernsey should do. Anyway as for you saying about the political impact of Flybe operating the service, Aurigny already has done it, before its E195 arrived, it hired in a Flybe E195 to provide cover, so why not instead of buying a brand new one and paying the lease, as well as having to train crew etc, why didn't they do a wet lease with Flybe, saving themselves money? It would have also been beneficial to Flybe who have an overcapacity in E195s both with crew and airframes, a wet lease would have given certainty to the people of Guernsey and would have allowed Flybe to make use of an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting in storage at Exeter or Newquay.
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Being a direct customer Aurigny received a lot of support from Embraer.
If I recall correctly an Embraer employee was based in Guernsey for a number of months. This would not have happened if they had leased a Flybe aircraft. |
In any event is it not the plan for Flybe to phase out their E195s completely. The only sure way to guarantee operations is to have total control of the service. Guernsey has been left high and dry before, BA and more recently KLMuk.
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ATR72 STANSTED INCIDENT
G-COBO operating GR627 STN-GCI declared an emergency after take off yesterday. The fault was a hydraulic issue. After holding in the area, the a/c landed safely but the flight to GCI was cancelled. Details in Hertfordshire Mercury and elsewhere. |
Ever since Air UK sold its LHR slots used for a GCI service, with the result of the LHR-GCI service getting axed, Guernsey has been traumatized and worried about a possible loss of its remaining "proper" London service to Gatwick. Therefore they are not exactly in bean-counter mode.
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Seems like there is now going to be a lot of competition on the island routes. Waves, air Alderney and Clear Harbour all looking to establish themselves. Does this spell the end of the additional new Dornier? No news about its arrival.
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