The employee:
The employee, a senior pilot, addressed the email to Flybe's chief executive, Ms Ourmieres-Widener. "Congratulations, in two years at Flybe you and your fellow incompetent cohorts have managed to totally destroy a viable airline which was making profits when you took over," he wrote. The BBC understands that the airline has suspended the pilot. The chief executive a few weeks ago: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...er-div-456405/ Talk about priorities! I suppose the outcome was inevitable..... |
Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10438443)
The numerous cases of the dreaded landing gear collapse on touch down with the Q doesn’t help the nerves either .... The company was built on the q400, and the move to jets has brought the company to its knees. Not sure why there is such a negative view about it. I would sooner fly on it than sit on a cramp train with no air con all the way to Scotland. |
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
(Post 10438466)
I believe there were no fatalities from any of these incidents? Meanwhile the 737max......
The company was built on the q400, and the move to jets has brought the company to its knees. Not sure why there is such a negative view about it. I would sooner fly on it than sit on a cramp train with no air con all the way to Scotland. No fatalities?....That’s ok then, nothing to worry about is there ? Don’t worry ladies and gents there is a good chance the landing gear may colllapse on landing but be assured on past experience it’s likely not to cause fatalities |
This discussion is like Brexit as everyone has different ideas and probably neither will be sorted
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More cancellations for tomorrow out of BHD https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47813543 |
The Q400 is a Solid reliable aircraft, for example ' Wideroe is almost exclusively based on all flavours , from the short field -100 to the latest Q400.
, Yes they have a few ' Ejets ', but there is a logic , clearly for Airlines to operate a single ' type '. And I had read on here to my surprise, Q400's used from South English airports , as far south As Spain's ' Bucket and spade Coast'. The E175 of course is listed in this year's Fleet digest at 88 seats. The Q400 ten less , so a loss yes but not as bad as paying services altogether. And now with a new team in control , things may flourish. For BE to survive, when bigger have fallen , and still are , is quite something In what seems to be an ever reducing choice of Airlines . Perhaps once they acheive a financial stability , perhaps they will add jets such as the Airbus A220.. In the meantime, we ought to be glad that Flybe live to fight another day!. |
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
(Post 10438466)
The company was built on the q400
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Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10438445)
Without doubt..... Or does something change after three years of operating them (that rings a bell too!)? |
Yes Flybe use their nostalgia prop-jets to the Spanish Costa's and to the Balearic Islands, plus Italy (Verona) and Corsica.
A while back one went as far as Dubrovnik...not sure if any have been down to Corfu or Preveza - but maybe one has subbed for an EMB jet? (Autair used to send their HS748's LTN to Corfu about 50 years ago) I did Verona last summer from SOU on the Dash8 - at 2h 20m bit of a slog... |
Did Paramount not send the MD83's to Goa?
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Anyone fancy booking a Flybe flight for say late summer? That question must be on the minds of many potential passengers at the moment. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10438632)
Anyone fancy booking a Flybe flight for say late summer? That question must be on the minds of many potential passengers at the moment. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10438632)
Anyone fancy booking a Flybe flight for say late summer? That question must be on the minds of many potential passengers at the moment. |
Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 10438623)
Did Paramount not send the MD83's to Goa?
Enter Air Transavia and TUI/Neos send their 737's down to Mombasa and Zanzibar, plus many moons ago Sterling Super Caravelles went both Transatlantic, and down to Ceylon and Thailand for the Dane holidaymakers.. I think Bavaria Flug also sent their 1-11's to Mombasa. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10438632)
Anyone fancy booking a Flybe flight for say late summer? That question must be on the minds of many potential passengers at the moment. |
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
(Post 10438459)
The employee:
The employee, a senior pilot, addressed the email to Flybe's chief executive, Ms Ourmieres-Widener. "Congratulations, in two years at Flybe you and your fellow incompetent cohorts have managed to totally destroy a viable airline which was making profits when you took over," he wrote. The BBC understands that the airline has suspended the pilot. The chief executive a few weeks ago: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...er-div-456405/ Talk about priorities! I suppose the outcome was inevitable..... Cringe worthy reading it. Once she lead the company into profit and had built a reputation THEN would be the time to talk about this. But not before that. |
A Budgie down to Corfu is quite a thought😕
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Actually the HS748 was the "Budgie".
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Paramount.
Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 10438623)
Did Paramount not send the MD83's to Goa?
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So in the belfast telegraph comments section customer claims he got £220 compensation for a £56 flight.
So I could go on website tonight and take a gamble. Better than the lottery or a horse. EU rules don't help the struggling companies |
Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit
(Post 10439042)
So in the belfast telegraph comments section customer claims he got £220 compensation for a £56 flight.
So I could go on website tonight and take a gamble. Better than the lottery or a horse. EU rules don't help the struggling compsnico. |
Because otherwise there would be an incentive for airlines to simply sell tickets like crazy and cancel flights at their pleasure should they be unable to fill the seats? Without compensation, airlines could simply walk away from contracts by repaying the fare.
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Today on BBC Radio4 there was a discussion topic about Flybe's current situation. The term Flymaybe was used and reference to broad and varied negative debate about Flybe on Twitter. It started to feel like the term Flymaybe had feeded, feels like it may make a comeback ..sad day for the organisation.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 10439095)
Flybe rosters are normally planned 3 -5 days in advanced and the altered as they are needed the day before/in the morning. However the nonsense about lots of staff going on holiday due to the end of the years holiday period is rubbish. Flybe does holiday periods from the month of a staff members birthday to the end of the month before their birthday, for example June until May the following year. The idea is to stop things like what happened happening across the business.
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Blame the chairman, he's accountable.
There's been a litany of miss management, French and his cronies were just as guilty. Say what you like about Saad but at least we made a profit one year under him, infact that was the only year I've known a true profit made in all the years I've been there. |
Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10439409)
Blame the chairman, he's accountable.
There's been a litany of miss management, French and his cronies were just as guilty. Say what you like about Saad but at least we made a profit one year under him, infact that was the only year I've known a true profit made in all the years I've been there. |
Originally Posted by Planespeaking
(Post 10439462)
I agree under Jim (call me James) French Flybe greatly over ordered its Embraer fleet with delusions of grandeur, and from then on it was downhill all the way. All of that said, flyBe has repeatedly failed to assess risks to their business and alter the model. Moves like flyBe Nordic and wet-leasing to SN seem good ideas, but flyBe lost a fortune in the Nordics. Thats an impressive feat with a cost+ model. |
None of this will be a surprise to anyone who worked there on the front line in recent years. Unfortunately the management there have never had a clue and seem to think that good business skills start and end at being ruthless to the staff and squeezing every last drop out of them "because they can". Can't put my finger on it but its always clown town down Exeter way regardless of who's in charge - but the ineptitude is compounded by greed. If they found £10m in the street then by the end of the year they'd have managed to turn it into a £50m loss citing Brexit uncertainty increased fuel and pilot costs and economic headwinds. It's like a stuck record. That would be after taking £20m of it in bonuses. Worse places to work? Probably, but that's not the point. There were years and years when they weren't on the ropes but they could have worked with the staff to create a healthy and viable workplace people wanted to stay long term, but that's not considered good business is it, even for the last 2 years when they've been haemmoraging pilots. "It's a market thing you know, there's no problem here". It brought me to my knees after too many years. Constant onslaught of ruthlessly fatiguing rosters, calamitous disruption, no home life, and the daily misery delivering an appalling service and ruining people's plans - mainly due to equipment everybody knows isn't or ever will be fit for purpose; the Dash 8 - engineering nightmare which barely worked when it was brand new, island hopping local van which they thought they could pass off as an airliner and passengers wouldn't notice, 2-3hrs in a shaking old bomber? Meanwhile send your actual airliner to do BHX-BHD etc. Brilliant. Don't get me wrong, the money's okay but that's not the point, most captains have been begging for years for LESS money, ie part time so they can have a life. No? Ok, we're leaving then. Geniuses.
Absolutely fantastic people working there, superb training, the cabin crew especially are as good as any anywhere in the world, but if only I'd known years ago how much better my life could have been had I left sooner and might even live a bit longer. I really wish those sticking it out the best of luck, but to anyone maybe lacking confidence but thinking about moving I'd say do it, I really doubt you'll regret it. |
As with everything else recently, there have been mixed messages coming out of BE. With regards to the E-jets, I know the E95's are leaving the fleet by end of FY19/20 but what about the E75's. Several media outlets have carried different stories with some saying all E75's + 4 orders are going and others stating the 11 x E75's are staying minus the 4 orders. Can someone clear this up once and for all! cheers
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Well - my starter for ten:
- the statement only talked about the 6 EMB-195's going; - these are currently deployed at EXT (2) and SOU for sun routes, and at MAN (2) and BHX for 'regional routes'; - we know the sun routes at EXT and SOU are going, so that's 3 to go, and presumably the 175's at DSA and CWL will go to replace the other 3 195's at MAN and BHX; - if ALL the EMB's are going (175's as well as 195's) there will have to be far more unannounced route reductions to come. Comments? |
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Does a seven-strong fleet of E75 dispersed all over England really make sense from an operational perspective, given that they are pretty close to the Q400 capacity-wise and, due to their relatively small size, most probably too uneconomical on most leisure routes where their legs could be useful on paper?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10439850)
Well - my starter for ten:
- the statement only talked about the 6 EMB-195's going; - these are currently deployed at EXT (2) and SOU for sun routes, and at MAN (2) and BHX for 'regional routes'; - we know the sun routes at EXT and SOU are going, so that's 3 to go, and presumably the 175's at DSA and CWL will go to replace the other 3 195's at MAN and BHX; - if ALL the EMB's are going (175's as well as 195's) there will have to be far more unannounced route reductions to come. Comments? |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10439406)
So even if this reason is true, she's basically admitting in public that they can't run the business properly - what sort of numpty manager would let leave build up in this way so it all gets taken at once?
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Thanks all for your reply’s. Not that we can assume anything with BE but can we say that the 7 remaining e-jets will be MAN and BHX based with an outside bet on SOU also? |
175's
Originally Posted by virginblue
(Post 10439868)
Does a seven-strong fleet of E75 dispersed all over England really make sense from an operational perspective, given that they are pretty close to the Q400 capacity-wise and, due to their relatively small size, most probably too uneconomical on most leisure routes where their legs could be useful on paper?
The others will be used on BHX & MAN MXP if these routes remain and perhaps BHX-STR TXL and again if these routes remain although these are often Dash 8's as well these days. This brings me on to six-sixty's excellent post and the only minor point I have to add is that BHX-BHD is only a 175 on a Saturday and it is to get the aircraft there to fly BHD-SZG or INN (can't remember which one), the more perplexing use of the 175's is the regular MAN-NQY, MAN-SOU and MAN-BHD. The jets at BHX in the main do operate routes with decent business take-up or are a little longer than the norm or the extra seats are filled such as MXP, STR, TXL, LYS, AMS etc. If you see one in the week on domestic it is usually covering for the Dash which gain Six Sixty is spot on. Most at BHX seem to be thinking that MXP, STR, TXL, HAM, HAJ, LYS, DUS might not be around in 12 months and also expecting changes on CDG and AMS. Pete |
Originally Posted by bad bear
(Post 10439912)
By the time they strip out 10 of the 71 UK based planes there will be one flight in 7 being dropped? they say they will still fly to Doncaster and Cardiff so Q400 must be robbed from somewhere else? I guess there won't be much in the way of flying from the sleepy hollow known as Norwich?
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Current thinking is that there may well be a reduction on CDG & AMS routes due to EU competition rulings.
I suspect the reduction of the EJets is the start of a swing away from European routes to more domestic, even the possibility of more London (LHR & LGW) routes, if the slots can be found. |
The official stance from the company regarding fleet reduction is the hand back of the 6 195s, 4 x 175s are to be handed back and the 4 175s on order will be/have been cancelled.
My personal opinion is within 18 months there will be no ejets within Flybe. |
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