Originally Posted by compton3bravo
(Post 10385268)
It is income dear boy however small it might be.
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Shaft the shareholder week.... it all sounds like pie in the sky. So sad to see a viable airline mismanaged into this |
A fitting axiom?...
Perhaps relating to both past & present..."Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes"... |
https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf Not looking good guys. Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18 |
Link posted doesn't work for me.
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It's the same document provided on post 1609.
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Thanks DC3 Dave.
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Originally Posted by Weathergirly
(Post 10388556)
https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf Not looking good guys. Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18 |
It says there will be headcount reductions / redundancies. You can point to words like 'possible' and 'might be' but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it won't happen.
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Intentions with respect to the Flybe Group business Connect Airways intends to focus on three principal areas, in relation to the business of the Flybe Group: • simplifying and focusing on improving the performance of Flybe Limited’s core network whilst recognising the importance of regional connectivity; • adjusting Flybe Limited’s network to improve connectivity with Virgin Atlantic’s long-haul network, particularly at London Heathrow Airport and Manchester Airport, bringing more choice to customers; and • operating the Combined Group as an independent company, and optimising the combined commercial, operational and functional expertise and scale of Virgin Atlantic and the Stobart Group. Optimising the Network and Improving Connectivity Connect Airways plans to optimise Flybe Limited’s network and operations to focus on key routes with the aim of continuing to enhance regional connectivity across the UK and Ireland. Connect Airways also intends to bring benefits for customers through linking an enhanced Flybe regional network with Virgin Atlantic’s long-haul operations particularly at Manchester Airport and London Heathrow Airport. Rebranding All flying operations except Stobart Air will operate under a Virgin brand to the extent possible. This will be timed to coincide with a refurbishment programme for Flybe Limited’s fleet to provide a seamless customer experience in keeping with Virgin Atlantic’s heritage. There will be no change to the brands under which Stobart Air flies today which will continue to be maintained and operated separately. Interim funding Concurrently with announcing the Acquisition, the Connect Lenders made available a £20 million secured bridge loan facility to support Flybe Limited’s ongoing working capital and operational requirements. Concurrently with the entering into of the Subsidiary Sale SPA, this bridge loan facility was amended and £10 million of the revised £20 million secured facility was immediately utilised by Flybe Limited (with an additional £5 million being utilised on 25 January 2019). Directors Upon completion of the Acquisition, the Non-Executive Directors will be asked to resign from the Board and will be replaced by directors appointed by Connect Airways. Whilst very limited discussions have taken place, Connect Airways has made no decision as to whether it would be appropriate to put in place management incentivisation arrangements and, if so, the form such arrangements may take. It is Connect Airways intention to consider this only once the Acquisition has completed. Leveraging the expertise of Flybe, Stobart Group and Virgin Atlantic Through the combination of Flybe and Stobart Air, and partnering with Virgin Atlantic, Connect Airways intends to continue as an independent operating carrier with a separate UK AOC under the Virgin Atlantic brand. Stobart Air is intended to continue under a separate Irish Air Operator Certificate with its franchise and aircraft leasing operations as exists today. |
Locations for the Combined Group As part of the integration process, Connect Airways will consider the most appropriate locations for the headquarters and engineering centre. However, it is expected that the Combined Group will maintain a material presence at each of Flybe’s existing Exeter headquarters and Stobart Air’s Dublin headquarters. In addition, Connect Airways intends to maintain people and presence at the airports at which Flybe Limited, Stobart Air and Virgin Atlantic have operations, subject to changes arising from any alterations to the network. The network and route optimisation will likely include a limited reduction in the number of Flybe Limited’s aircraft to right size the fleet for the Combined Group going forward. |
I wonder if the SEN-MAN service could be restarted to feed in Virgin pax. The route was building up quite nicely.
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Originally Posted by Weathergirly
(Post 10388556)
https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf Not looking good guys. Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18 The end result is that anyone who wants Flybe to walk away from the Connect deal not only has to cover the bridge loan and immediate future operational needs, but also has to be prepared to cover any further increase in holdbacks from credit card companies, which are certain to happen if the uncertainty as to debt payment were to increase any further. |
Originally Posted by tophat27dt
(Post 10388708)
I wonder if the SEN-MAN service could be restarted to feed in Virgin pax. The route was building up quite nicely.
Stobart Handling already here & a MAG centre to MAG centre service could be an incentivised alliance/opportunity too. |
I don’t believe it. Another airline in clear trouble with its business plan and here we are - now for the third time - with a suggestion that a new route from Stansted is (at least part of) the cure. Can we please please give this a break, my dear chap ? It’s ridiculous. |
If there was demand for STN to MAN I’m sure U2 of FR would have given it a go. |
Originally Posted by goldeneye
(Post 10388871)
If there was demand for STN to MAN I’m sure U2 of FR would have given it a go. |
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10388778)
Possibly then a STN-MAN service may make even more material sense.
Stobart Handling already here & a MAG centre to MAG centre service could be an incentivised alliance/opportunity too. |
If I read that report correctly £15 million of the £20 million bridge loan has already been gobbled up. I really feel for the staff but not to the shareholders, you took a punt and lost. As I said before whoever at Hoskings decided to hold nearly 20% of the stock wants their head tested.
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
(Post 10388879)
Southend does have its very own catchment area. Please stop sending all new routes to hell hole STN
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Flybe
Ema are stopping early morning flights to fly to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so if you want spend a FULL day in those cities forget it.
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£4.5m paid for their Gatwick slots by Vueling!
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Obviously no one noticed the "smile" as the header in my alternative thoughts for a MAN service!
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10388981)
Obviously no one noticed the "smile" as the header in my alternative thoughts for a MAN service!
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No effect on the airline Flybe stopping the early morning flights to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so no full day sight seeing then
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Originally Posted by Trev4521
(Post 10389036)
No effect on the airline Flybe stopping the early morning flights to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so no full day sight seeing then
I selected random dates in June and the first 2 flights leave BHX for GLA at 0655 & 0845? |
When the poster first wrote about the loss of the early morning flights I read it as being from EMA, although I’ve no idea if Flybe operate the routes he mentioned from there. |
I think Trev's been at the sauce......Flybe have no based units at EMA so any flights from EMA will be 2nd sector of the day at best
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Until such time as the Connect deal goes through any talk of which routes will stay, go or be launched is futile. That said, I also can’t see the viability of a MAN hub unless Virgin significantly upscale their operations. The only way I can realistically see this happen anytime soon is if they also took on Thomas Cook. |
Absolutely agree AirportPlanner1 on Manchester, there is definitely a Thomas Cook sized hole in the Manchester plan.
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The supposed smiley isn’t visible when viewing on mobile. Playground stuff. I think the posting around services being cut back refers to Edi and Gla to Ema, served by aircraft at the former two bases. Check the schedules for any month in the summer and the cuts are definitely there. |
EMA
Originally Posted by sinbad73
(Post 10389062)
When is this happening?
I selected random dates in June and the first 2 flights leave BHX for GLA at 0655 & 0845? �� The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids. What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three. I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool. Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors per day in the week. Pete |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 10389219)
The Flybe reduction I believe the poster is referring to, is the East Midlands changes which currently show the early morning Glasgow and Edinburgh services this summer as being removed from the booking engine which appears to be correct.
The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids. What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three. I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool. Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors in the week. Pete |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10389175)
Until such time as the Connect deal goes through any talk of which routes will stay, go or be launched is futile. That said, I also can’t see the viability of a MAN hub unless Virgin significantly upscale their operations. The only way I can realistically see this happen anytime soon is if they also took on Thomas Cook. |
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Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!
Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :( |
Originally Posted by El Bunto
(Post 10390032)
Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!
Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :( |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 10389219)
The Flybe reduction I believe the poster is referring to, is the East Midlands changes which currently show the early morning Glasgow and Edinburgh services this summer as being removed from the booking engine which appears to be correct.
The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids. What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three. I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool. Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors in the week. Pete |
Originally Posted by Blackfriar
(Post 10390226)
8 sectors a week! No wonder they went bust. When I scheduled BA Birmingham the 1-11s were averaging 5 sectors A DAY |
Originally Posted by El Bunto
(Post 10390032)
Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!
Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :( |
Here’s our new Board of Directors
STATEMENT FROM ANDREW TINKLER FOLLOWING HIGH COURT JUDGEMENT, FRIDAY 15 FEBRUARYHigh Court Rules Stobart Directors Rigged AGM VoteStobart’s claims on ‘conspiracy’ and expenses rejected Andrew Tinkler calls for Warwick Brady and fellow directors to resign Following a two-week trial in November 2018, the Judge (HHJ Russen) has found that Iain Ferguson, Warwick Brady, Andrew Wood and John Coombs have breached their fiduciary duties to Stobart Group by using company funds to gerrymander a vote at the July 2018 AGM in their favour. The Judge ruled that all four directors had acted for “improper purposes” by trying to manipulate the vote. Mr Tinkler said: “In light of the Judge’s findings, Mr Brady, Mr Ferguson, Mr Coombs and Mr Wood have no place on the Board of Stobart Group and they should all step down without further delay.” |
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