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Tagron 9th Feb 2019 21:16


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10385268)
It is income dear boy however small it might be.

Disposal of shares ordinarily will not be subject to income tax. Potentially a disposal may attract Capital Gains Tax if a profit has been made. In this particular situation anyone selling at 1p will have made a major loss and hence there will be no tax liability.

DonTrumpet2020 10th Feb 2019 00:34

Shaft the shareholder week.... it all sounds like pie in the sky. So sad to see a viable airline mismanaged into this

southside bobby 10th Feb 2019 04:56

A fitting axiom?...
Perhaps relating to both past & present..."Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes"...

Weathergirly 13th Feb 2019 09:41

https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf

Not looking good guys.

Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18

Expressflight 13th Feb 2019 10:01

Link posted doesn't work for me.

DC3 Dave 13th Feb 2019 10:06

It's the same document provided on post 1609.

Expressflight 13th Feb 2019 10:14

Thanks DC3 Dave.

PDXCWL45 13th Feb 2019 10:18


Originally Posted by Weathergirly (Post 10388556)
https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf

Not looking good guys.

Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18

Care to enlighten us?

davidjohnson6 13th Feb 2019 11:45

It says there will be headcount reductions / redundancies. You can point to words like 'possible' and 'might be' but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it won't happen.

Copenhagen 13th Feb 2019 11:53

Intentions with respect to the Flybe Group business
Connect Airways intends to focus on three principal areas, in relation to the business of the Flybe Group:
• simplifying and focusing on improving the performance of Flybe Limited’s core network whilst recognising the importance of regional connectivity;
• adjusting Flybe Limited’s network to improve connectivity with Virgin Atlantic’s long-haul network, particularly at London Heathrow Airport and Manchester Airport, bringing more choice to customers; and
• operating the Combined Group as an independent company, and optimising the combined commercial, operational and functional expertise and scale of Virgin Atlantic and the Stobart Group.

Optimising the Network and Improving Connectivity

Connect Airways plans to optimise Flybe Limited’s network and operations to focus on key routes with the aim of continuing to enhance regional connectivity across the UK and Ireland.
Connect Airways also intends to bring benefits for customers through linking an enhanced Flybe regional network with Virgin Atlantic’s long-haul operations particularly at Manchester Airport and London Heathrow Airport.

Rebranding
All flying operations except Stobart Air will operate under a Virgin brand to the extent possible. This will be timed to coincide with a refurbishment programme for Flybe Limited’s fleet to provide a seamless customer experience in keeping with Virgin Atlantic’s heritage.

There will be no change to the brands under which Stobart Air flies today which will continue to be maintained and operated separately.
Interim funding
Concurrently with announcing the Acquisition, the Connect Lenders made available a £20 million secured bridge loan facility to support Flybe Limited’s ongoing working capital and operational requirements. Concurrently with the entering into of the Subsidiary Sale SPA, this bridge loan facility was amended and £10 million of the revised £20 million secured facility was immediately utilised by Flybe Limited (with an additional £5 million being utilised on 25 January 2019).
Directors
Upon completion of the Acquisition, the Non-Executive Directors will be asked to resign from the Board and will be replaced by directors appointed by Connect Airways.
Whilst very limited discussions have taken place, Connect Airways has made no decision as to whether it would be appropriate to put in place management incentivisation arrangements and, if so, the form such arrangements may take. It is Connect Airways intention to consider this only once the Acquisition has completed.
Leveraging the expertise of Flybe, Stobart Group and Virgin Atlantic
Through the combination of Flybe and Stobart Air, and partnering with Virgin Atlantic, Connect Airways intends to continue as an independent operating carrier with a separate UK AOC under the Virgin Atlantic brand. Stobart Air is intended to continue under a separate Irish Air Operator Certificate with its franchise and aircraft leasing operations as exists today.

Copenhagen 13th Feb 2019 11:57

Locations for the Combined Group

As part of the integration process, Connect Airways will consider the most appropriate locations for the headquarters and engineering centre. However, it is expected that the Combined Group will maintain a material presence at each of Flybe’s existing Exeter headquarters and Stobart Air’s Dublin headquarters.


In addition, Connect Airways intends to maintain people and presence at the airports at which Flybe Limited, Stobart Air and Virgin Atlantic have operations, subject to changes arising from any alterations to the network.

The network and route optimisation will likely include a limited reduction in the number of Flybe Limited’s aircraft to right size the fleet for the Combined Group going forward.

tophat27dt 13th Feb 2019 12:07

I wonder if the SEN-MAN service could be restarted to feed in Virgin pax. The route was building up quite nicely.

pholling 13th Feb 2019 12:15


Originally Posted by Weathergirly (Post 10388556)
https://www.flybe.com/application/fi...e_Document.pdf

Not looking good guys.

Paragraph 6 and 7 guys - Page 18

Thank you, and thank you to Copenhagen and davidjohnson6. I don't think the planned reduction in headcount is any real surprise, especially considering the situation that currently exists at FlyBe. Going back to last autumn once the credit card companies started ramping up their holdbacks the writing was on the wall for FlyBe as an independent company. Airlines are very much hand-to-mouth organisations and if the revenue stream is curtailed in any way they quickly become insolvent. In the US an announcement that the holdbacks are increasing is usually code for a very quick progression to a Chapter 11 filing. Amazingly enough this usually involves the same credit card companies giving debtor in possession financing for the filing. Under UK insolvency rules this isn't an option as once the administrators are called in the airline's AOC is suspended, they essentially are no longer an airline. They have to stop flying and get rid of all of their slots. In this case Flybe estimated how long they had with their reduced/delayed revenue stream and put themselves up for sale. The original Connect offer was based on the holdbacks being held and/or reduced once the offer was accepted. However, it this did not happen, and the may have been increased. This forced the hand in the quick sale of the actual airline and website. The bridge loan became day-to-day critical. It is also why tentative proposals from people such as Tinker are very hard to consider. As soon as you seriously consider them the connect investors will call in the bridging loan. If you don't have the cash to pay it you have to call in the administrators, so the offer has to be guaranteed to be worth following up.

The end result is that anyone who wants Flybe to walk away from the Connect deal not only has to cover the bridge loan and immediate future operational needs, but also has to be prepared to cover any further increase in holdbacks from credit card companies, which are certain to happen if the uncertainty as to debt payment were to increase any further.

southside bobby 13th Feb 2019 13:23


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10388708)
I wonder if the SEN-MAN service could be restarted to feed in Virgin pax. The route was building up quite nicely.

Possibly then a STN-MAN service may make even more material sense.

Stobart Handling already here & a MAG centre to MAG centre service could be an incentivised alliance/opportunity too.

Flightrider 13th Feb 2019 14:54

I don’t believe it. Another airline in clear trouble with its business plan and here we are - now for the third time - with a suggestion that a new route from Stansted is (at least part of) the cure.

Can we please please give this a break, my dear chap ? It’s ridiculous.

goldeneye 13th Feb 2019 15:19

If there was demand for STN to MAN I’m sure U2 of FR would have given it a go.

tophat27dt 13th Feb 2019 15:41


Originally Posted by goldeneye (Post 10388871)
If there was demand for STN to MAN I’m sure U2 of FR would have given it a go.

Southend does have its very own catchment area. Please stop sending all new routes to hell hole STN

Skipness One Foxtrot 13th Feb 2019 16:25


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10388778)
Possibly then a STN-MAN service may make even more material sense.

Stobart Handling already here & a MAG centre to MAG centre service could be an incentivised alliance/opportunity too.

Handling and airport ownership have almost zero impact here, anymore than a BAA to BAA airport ever did.

compton3bravo 13th Feb 2019 16:40

If I read that report correctly £15 million of the £20 million bridge loan has already been gobbled up. I really feel for the staff but not to the shareholders, you took a punt and lost. As I said before whoever at Hoskings decided to hold nearly 20% of the stock wants their head tested.

goldeneye 13th Feb 2019 17:32


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10388879)
Southend does have its very own catchment area. Please stop sending all new routes to hell hole STN

I don’t believe I did say that, I was responding to a comment about opening a STN to MAN. Personally i can’t stand STN and avoid it at all costs.

Trev4521 13th Feb 2019 17:32

Flybe
 
Ema are stopping early morning flights to fly to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so if you want spend a FULL day in those cities forget it.

Buster the Bear 13th Feb 2019 17:34

£4.5m paid for their Gatwick slots by Vueling!

southside bobby 13th Feb 2019 17:37

Obviously no one noticed the "smile" as the header in my alternative thoughts for a MAN service!

SWBKCB 13th Feb 2019 18:01


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10388981)
Obviously no one noticed the "smile" as the header in my alternative thoughts for a MAN service!

SSB - Hook, line, sinker... :ok:

Trev4521 13th Feb 2019 18:39

No effect on the airline Flybe stopping the early morning flights to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so no full day sight seeing then

sinbad73 13th Feb 2019 19:06


Originally Posted by Trev4521 (Post 10389036)
No effect on the airline Flybe stopping the early morning flights to Glasgow/Edinburgh and possible Amsterdam so no full day sight seeing then

When is this happening?

I selected random dates in June and the first 2 flights leave BHX for GLA at 0655 & 0845? ��

The Nutts Mutts 13th Feb 2019 19:37

When the poster first wrote about the loss of the early morning flights I read it as being from EMA, although I’ve no idea if Flybe operate the routes he mentioned from there.

TartinTon 13th Feb 2019 20:28

I think Trev's been at the sauce......Flybe have no based units at EMA so any flights from EMA will be 2nd sector of the day at best

AirportPlanner1 13th Feb 2019 21:20

Until such time as the Connect deal goes through any talk of which routes will stay, go or be launched is futile.

That said, I also can’t see the viability of a MAN hub unless Virgin significantly upscale their operations. The only way I can realistically see this happen anytime soon is if they also took on Thomas Cook.

toledoashley 13th Feb 2019 21:24

Absolutely agree AirportPlanner1 on Manchester, there is definitely a Thomas Cook sized hole in the Manchester plan.

Flightrider 13th Feb 2019 22:05

The supposed smiley isn’t visible when viewing on mobile. Playground stuff.

I think the posting around services being cut back refers to Edi and Gla to Ema, served by aircraft at the former two bases. Check the schedules for any month in the summer and the cuts are definitely there.

OltonPete 13th Feb 2019 22:11

EMA
 

Originally Posted by sinbad73 (Post 10389062)
When is this happening?

I selected random dates in June and the first 2 flights leave BHX for GLA at 0655 & 0845? ��

The Flybe reduction I believe the poster is referring to, is the East Midlands changes which currently show the early morning Glasgow and Edinburgh services this summer as being removed from the booking engine which appears to be correct.

The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids.

What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three.

I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool.

Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors per day in the week.

Pete

sinbad73 13th Feb 2019 22:46


Originally Posted by OltonPete (Post 10389219)
The Flybe reduction I believe the poster is referring to, is the East Midlands changes which currently show the early morning Glasgow and Edinburgh services this summer as being removed from the booking engine which appears to be correct.

The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids.

What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three.

I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool.

Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors in the week.

Pete

Thanks/apologies - my misunderstanding.

pholling 14th Feb 2019 08:32


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10389175)
Until such time as the Connect deal goes through any talk of which routes will stay, go or be launched is futile.

That said, I also can’t see the viability of a MAN hub unless Virgin significantly upscale their operations. The only way I can realistically see this happen anytime soon is if they also took on Thomas Cook.

Though it doesn't necessarily take as Thomas Cook airlines acquisition to make it work. VS are aircraft constrained in the immediate sense. Though the 787RR engine issues are slowly loosening and the A332s are sticking around for a little while. While 9 more A332s might be nice, the rest of TC's business probably doesn't fit, they are not strictly necessary to ramp up operations. All VS flights between the UK-US are in a JV with DL. This means if it makes economic sense there are a lot of aircraft in DL metal that could be called upon.

El Bunto 14th Feb 2019 15:31

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Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!

Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :(

PDXCWL45 14th Feb 2019 15:52


Originally Posted by El Bunto (Post 10390032)
Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!

Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :(

Unfortunately that happens quite a lot on the Flybe website in my experience .

Blackfriar 14th Feb 2019 18:57


Originally Posted by OltonPete (Post 10389219)
The Flybe reduction I believe the poster is referring to, is the East Midlands changes which currently show the early morning Glasgow and Edinburgh services this summer as being removed from the booking engine which appears to be correct.

The effect other than you can't do a days business in the East Midlands from Scotland is that it also affects the Jersey and Amsterdam routes from East Mids.

What I can tell is that Amsterdam remains and is operated by the Edinburgh aircraft but by reducing Glasgow to twice a day the Jersey flight has to change and it appears to be operated by a BHX based aircraft. The knock on effect for BHX is possibly the reduction in Channel Isle services as some days only shows two flights a day compared to three.

I reviewed the BHX schedule for summer 2019 earlier and the second Milan on Tuesday and Wednesday has gone as well as the Channel Isle changes, other changes mentioned on this thread or others is some Isle of Man reductions to Manchester ad Liverpool.

Aircraft utilisation at BHX has been improved with 5 out of the 6 based DH8D's operating 8 sectors in the week.

Pete

8 sectors a week! No wonder they went bust. When I scheduled BA Birmingham the 1-11s were averaging 5 sectors A DAY

PDXCWL45 14th Feb 2019 19:19


Originally Posted by Blackfriar (Post 10390226)

8 sectors a week! No wonder they went bust. When I scheduled BA Birmingham the 1-11s were averaging 5 sectors A DAY

I'd have thought that was 8 sectors a day in the week with probably 6 on the weekends. Which is what their aircraft at CWL seem to do.

SealinkBF 15th Feb 2019 10:32


Originally Posted by El Bunto (Post 10390032)
Bit odd to see Wick - John O'Groats in the destination drop-down from Belfast City today!

Unsurprisingly, selecting it doesn't find any flights :(

That's been there for quite some time, used to utilise the Eastern flight from Aberdeen to Wick, with a BE connection from BHD. Then Eastern have rescheduled their flights so connections currently dont work

Weathergirly 15th Feb 2019 18:23

Here’s our new Board of Directors
 

STATEMENT FROM ANDREW TINKLER FOLLOWING HIGH COURT JUDGEMENT, FRIDAY 15 FEBRUARY

High Court Rules Stobart Directors Rigged AGM Vote

Stobart’s claims on ‘conspiracy’ and expenses rejected

Andrew Tinkler calls for Warwick Brady and fellow directors to resign

Following a two-week trial in November 2018, the Judge (HHJ Russen) has found that Iain Ferguson, Warwick Brady, Andrew Wood and John Coombs have breached their fiduciary duties to Stobart Group by using company funds to gerrymander a vote at the July 2018 AGM in their favour. The Judge ruled that all four directors had acted for “improper purposes” by trying to manipulate the vote.

Mr Tinkler said: “In light of the Judge’s findings, Mr Brady, Mr Ferguson, Mr Coombs and Mr Wood have no place on the Board of Stobart Group and they should all step down without further delay.”


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