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I would suggest something along the lines of what they did with British Airtours - the same British Airways colourscheme - but title the aircraft 'British European'. Caledonian they did a similar thing with, but revised the branding to include the lion.
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Or IAG might just keep them as Flybe? If they buy them.
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I like the idea another poster had of making better use of Flybe aircraft for a take-over of the Aer Lingus Regional operation. After all, this should 'ideally' be in-house rather than lining the pockets of a completely separate business (to the group).
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From a strategic perspective IAG could see value in Flybe as follows Eliminate competition at LCY. Bring EI-R and Cityflyer contract flying ‘in-house’ Reduce AMS flows and reorientate to Dublin BMI slots default back to BA (Would Loganair give it a go?) Tactically, BA could ring fence Flybe Heathrow for domestics such as JER GCI LDY DND rather than EDI ABZ. Well trained and respected future pilot base for BA and EI. |
Not sure whether this has already been mentioned but in addition to the new LHR-Newquay 4x daily from 31 March 2019 they are adding a fifth rotation on LHR-EDI. This means they will have 12 weekday departures at LHR from Spring 2019.
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Couple of things here from my perspective;
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No one appears to have mentioned Lufthansa as a potential acquirer. LH group has been quite acquisitive over the years in Central Europe but their UK presence is fairly modest in comparison with say AF/KL. It would also strengthen Star Alliance in the UK as it is clearly the weakest airline grouping here at present.
But then again, maybe they got their fingers burnt with BMI. |
Some fair points by EI-BUD though I would pick up on a couple. While regional flying outside of London isn’t done by BA currently and is something WW got out of in the past, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t or shouldn’t do it now under the right conditions. For example, if routes or a base (I’m thinking the likes of SOU, EXT) are profitable and aren’t so likely to see LCC competition, why not keep them? There is precedent for this within IAG already, for example EIR have some relatively oddball routes out of ORK and SNN to the UK and France and Air Nostrum/IB Regional fly around regional Spanish cities and the Balearics. You question a lead-in to 2022 for EIR routes but that isn’t too ridiculous. We’re almost in 2019 already with summer ‘19 on sale, pruning would likely occur in 2020 along with back-office integration, further transition in 2021 and you’re there already. |
tigertanaka, surely the disease that is BREXIT will scupper any ideas that mainland European carriers have of investing into UK aviation?
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Depends what you call European. AF/KL is arguably Delta through the back door.
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It would also strengthen Star Alliance in the UK as it is clearly the weakest airline grouping here at present. AF/KL is arguably Delta though the back door. |
I know Oltonpete was having problems posting spreadsheet data in post #1175 dated 25th November.
I have taken the liberty of reproducing his file as a screenshot...... https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e8fd26361d.png Hopefully I have done credit to your post, although I notice that you have the Newquay flight going to Newquay, and I'll PM you the full process. |
Flybe
Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
(Post 10322839)
I know Oltonpete was having problems posting spreadsheet data in post #1175 dated 25th November.
I have taken the liberty of reproducing his file as a screenshot...... https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e8fd26361d.png Hopefully I have done credit to your post, although I notice that you have the Newquay flight going to Newquay, and I'll PM you the full process. That looks good and this part of the post was pretty accurate I believe for last Monday, I did slip up on the number of active aircraft - it is 69 with around 3-4 in maintenance but still around 8 and 12 spare although aircraft 11 is back at BHX next week on certain days. Pete |
BE and MAEL part company
Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.
Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them . Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice. Nigel |
Originally Posted by nigel osborne
(Post 10323943)
Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.
Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them . Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice. Nigel I'm sure Flybe will find a new contract soon enough and it may be a nudge to bring more maintenance where possible back in-house. If anything, this going to be a loss for MAEL due to short term restructuring. Flybe themselves have even gone as far as saying; " Flybe are sympathetic to the many employees of MAEL who may be affected by the loss of work at MAEL and will be offering employment opportunities for engineers at Birmingham and Manchester, increasing the size of Flybe bases at those locations and benefitting from establishing our own comprehensive maintenance operations.” |
No Nigel that isn't the reason. The reason is MAEL's issue.
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10324182)
No Nigel that isn't the reason. The reason is MAEL's issue.
They have also I believe lost or will soon lose the Boeing contract at Gatwick. MAEL will soon be no more IMO, sadly. The decision to move some engineering back in house is a good one and outsourcing main bases was never a good idea. Again IMO it is being driven by the main suitor. The figure I have been quoted that Flybe we’re paying MAEL while very high was not something they couldn’t afford. Heaven forbid Flybe we’re trying to find a way to get out of the MAEL as part of the sale transaction... |
Originally Posted by nigel osborne
(Post 10323943)
Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.
Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them . Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice. Nigel |
Just curious. How long after a route launch do the codeshares get added ? have tried to book a connecting flight post April ex NQY and can’t get any connections offered apart from BHX and MAN when we’re after connecting at LHR to JFK cs |
Have any codeshares been announced for LHR?
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There was a tweet from NqY on 22/11 stating that they would have codeshares. Im sure that the existing BE services operate with codeshare flight numbers ? cs |
Originally Posted by cornishsimon
(Post 10324382)
There was a tweet from NqY on 22/11 stating that they would have codeshares. Im sure that the existing BE services operate with codeshare flight numbers ? cs |
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes? |
Originally Posted by toledoashley
(Post 10324745)
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes? |
Originally Posted by toledoashley
(Post 10324745)
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes? Air India, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Etihad Airways and Singapore Airlines all code share on the Scottish routes. I guess they need to decide decide how much they want to codeshare, considering the feed they can potentially get from NQY and how much their worldwide passengers want to visit Cornwall. |
They have beaten off KLM on the Amsterdam route at SOU! Things are looking up at their SOU base then... |
Not if they go to BOH! |
Originally Posted by Nakata77
(Post 10325459)
Not if they go to BOH! |
Will this sale thing be complete before Christmas? Must be concerning for staff...
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Originally Posted by Nakata77
(Post 10326105)
Will this sale thing be complete before Christmas? Must be concerning for staff...
Even an agreed sale could collapse if there is something that is hidden in the books. Witness what happened to WOW from Icelandair last week. Sale is complete where the 2 companies announce it is complete and not before. |
BA may probably want to code share on NQY (as they do on the NQY-LGW route) but will have no interest on code shares on EDI or ABZ as they fly there themselves |
Originally Posted by cornishsimon
(Post 10324332)
Just curious. How long after a route launch do the codeshares get added ? have tried to book a connecting flight post April ex NQY and can’t get any connections offered apart from BHX and MAN when we’re after connecting at LHR to JFK cs |
Plane Silly, it's not BA that will take over, but IAG. Fundamentally the take over, if it happens has nothing to do with BA.
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10326753)
So wouldn't this provide an opportunity if BA take over to concentrate BE solely on the UK domestic market. They could get BE to operate these routes for them instead, freeing up their own metal for other, more lucrative routes
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The problem - as has already been stated - is that the slots Flybe is using at LHR are remedies from the IAG/bmi takeover, and if they are relinquished by Flybe they would be made available for another airline to use to Aberdeen, Edinburgh, etc. It seems likely that IAG/BA would be subject to attention from the Competition and Markets Authority should it acquire Flybe.
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just curious CS, with numerous New York options available ex Manchester why Heathrow? From MAN : VS JFK UA EWR TCX JFK Total 3 daily? Am I missing some more MT perhaps? From LHR : UA EWR x 5 BA EWR x 2 BA JFK x 8 AA JFK x 4 DL JFK x 2 VS JFK x 6 VS EWR x 1 Total = 28 daily * exludes AI LHR-EWR now canned On frequency (and price in Y) you can have UA or VS out of LHR with more options than MAN. |
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10326753)
So wouldn't this provide an opportunity if BA take over to concentrate BE solely on the UK domestic market. They could get BE to operate these routes for them instead, freeing up their own metal for other, more lucrative routes
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Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10326964)
Bearing in mind how BA had to exit its domestic service because of losses all those years ago. What has changed that will make it more profitable for them ?
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Originally Posted by EastMids
(Post 10326944)
The problem - as has already been stated - is that the slots Flybe is using at LHR are remedies from the IAG/bmi takeover, and if they are relinquished by Flybe they would be made available for another airline to use to Aberdeen, Edinburgh, etc. It seems likely that IAG/BA would be subject to attention from the Competition and Markets Authority should it acquire Flybe.
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10327049)
Although if BA used the remedy slots for MAN/ABZ/EDI etc, could they then use some of their own MAN/ABZ/EDI slots for those destinations?
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