With their rapidly-rising wage bill, are their costs still much less than Ezyjets?

And if Glasgow was profitable, they could have operated flights from STN, although that would lose the day trip business market, mainly southbound in the morning.

Only the Irish pilots mik and they still have to vote on the proposals, so best not to jump the gun just yet.

Ryanair to end free gate bag policy where bags are tagged at the gate if priority has not paid. Passengers will now have to pay between £6-8 to take a 10kg bag into the cabin, or £8-10 to check in a 10kg cabin sized bag at check-in. Passengers whom don't pay can only take a small bag with them for the flight which will be placed under the seat in front of them.

I think this is a better policy than their current 'priority and two cabin bags'.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ryanair-luggage/ryanair-to-end-free-10-kg-bag-in-luggage-overhaul-idUKKCN1L8222?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&ut m_content=5b7ef75b04d30158bc38c407&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm _source=facebook

No sure how it would affect OTP as whether there are 60 or 100 bags in the hold there isn't a huge time impact between loading and unloading, couple of minutes but bearing in mind schedule planning I doubt it makes a 5 minutes difference on turnaround so will easily be accommodated on existing time.

It's going to happen whether people like it or not and even if you end up with 1 person in cockpit as back up the aircraft it is planned.
Friend was a FE with BA until they changed it and he old enough to remember Radio officer etc.

It will require a lot of technology changes at airports but that will happen anyway over time.

If Man can send unmanned craft with people to a space station thousands of miles away then London to New York shouldn't be impossible.

Priority boarding guarantees you can bring 2 bags on board, with the checked in 10kg been the same price as PB, it is likely most will opt for PB and then you will create a new problem (or the old) one where there is to many bags on board (i.e the current policy was designated to reduce this) so they will either have to completely drop the guarantee of two bags on board or increase PB to make checking in 10kg for 8 quid viable.

Priority will be capped at 95 pax per flight so there won't be an oversupply of larger carry on bags at the gate.

​​​​​​​If they find they are regularly selling out of priority too quickly, I'm sure they'd adjust the pricing to suit.

FR should have stuck to their process and should not have softened their controls on excessive and oversized cabin bags being size checked at the boarding gate. If it's too bulky or you're taking the p!ss by attempting to take on board large luggage or several pieces then all these items should be religiously tagged and dumped in the hold.

Clearly, some pax have extreme difficulties following the basic rules. Cabin aisles choked with punters clambering for overhead cabin bag space for their grandfather clock or whatever sh!he these clowns chance trying to get on board. Push backs get cocked up, slots missed, and all because some selfish idiots want to make sure they're alright, but sod the rest of the pax on board.

To be fair, I don't blame the airline for changing the carry on baggage rules, the actions of some pax have ruined it for everyone else. Though I expect FR personnel to get hard-core with any idiot at the boarding gate who can't stick to the basic and reasonable rules.

And how long will that take? RYR are reaping what they sowed by discouraging hold baggage by charging more for a bag than a seat.

Yes, I agree however, many other airlines are fairly on it when it comes to checking pax carry on bags when people are waiting to board. For example, I use City airport frequently every month, they are all over it at the gate well in advance of starting the boarding. Tag it, dump at bag cart at base of the aircraft steps, have cabin crew member stood at the base of the steps enforcing it and that will stamp out these clowns who can't read the rules.

Admittedly, it's all tedious but it still doesn't get away from the fact that people should take responsibility for their actions. When you book online, the bag allowance details are made available by each airline, Ryanair is no different. I simply can't understand why it's an airlines fault if people either refuse to read the booking bag allowance when booking, or as I suspect is now becoming the norm, people are taking chances and hoping they'll squeeze some oversized, or several carry on bags into the cabin, undetected.

But of course, the spin and negativity will go into full speed, bashing the airline when pax should face up to their accountability and responsibility. If it's oversized or excessive number of bags, then tag it and into the hold it goes.

IMO this change is not about saving time but making more money now that Ryanair's finances are being squeezed by strikes, EU261 etc The present system isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.

The priority/economy queue split is often about a 50/50, allowing the priority passengers on board first with all their baggage first that slows the process down. Dropping your economy bag onto a trolley is a very quick process and takes no additional time at all. Having done that you inevitably find yourself waiting to board for quite a few minutes while priority passengers load their bags into the overhead locker bins at the front of the aircraft. Having done that with the beast from the east howling across the ramp at MAN earlier this year still brings back memories of being absolutely frozen to the bone.

To speed the process up they should always use both front and rear doors, which they don't, and priority should use the front and economy should use the rear door.

The inevitable consequence of forcing more and more passengers to pay for priority boarding will result in unsustainable self defeat. I'll predict a year, max, before more changes and more charges.

I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything. FR travel essentially comes with no baggage allowance, either in the hold or in the cabin. Personally, I think the current system works well, but it must be costing FR money to have ground staff handling all those bags tagged at the gate. I thought that the ideal would be allowing passengers to check-in their hand luggage, in effect this is what is happening from Nov 1. Except it is not 'free'.

I have four Ryanair sectors booked between November and February. I don't particularly like the new cabin baggage policy. If it had been cheaper to cancel and rebook with a competitor then I would have done so. But it was still cheaper to add 'priority + 2 cabin bags' to the four sectors. Notwithstanding the ability to obtain a refund, it does leave a sour taste in the mouth that they make such changes to the cabin bag policy affecting already ticketed reservations. I'm not talking about four £20 sectors here either, I'm talking about each sector being at least £120 before the 'priority + 2 cabin bags was paid for'. Hence the bitter taste.

Which is the point. Even when adding a baggage option that suits the passenger, FR are still cheaper and/or more convenient than the competition.

No it's not like that at all.

Take the same analogy, but McDonalds charge you extra if you want more on the burger like gerkins onions etc. You don't have to have the gerkins or onions, but even if you do it's still cheaper.
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Plus, you can't complain when they tell you that they charge this before you make any purchase.

My next flight is booked and paid for. When I booked it the old rules applied but now the new rules apply. My option is to cancel FOC and re book with another airline, however, their prices have now shot up, so thats a no go unless I want to cut my nose off to spite my face. So realistically I have to pay an additional £10 each per sector or leave our bags at home.

Following the analogy, we would be getting exactly what we ordered and paid for BUT only if we pay an additional amount before we receive it. Is that a fair way of doing business?

Easyjet Go Hands Free costs £12 return, or £5 one way, and is a good system. It's a popular solution for Easyjet, and it almost eliminates the chaos of a couple of idiots shuffling up and down the packed cabin hunting for cabin overhead baggage space when doors need locking and push back needed to make slot times.

Ryanair are trying to do something similar now.

People will say this wholly about making more money and has nothing to do with delays though they couldn't be more wrong. Gate bags have been a huge problem under the current policy and it's now being addressed with this revised, and I think personally, fairer policy.

To clarify any misunderstandings, the current rule is that all passengers are permitted one small personal item AND one larger wheelie bag, up to 10kg, though only priority passengers are allowed their larger bag in the cabin - for all non-priority it's tagged at the boarding gate and put in the hold for free. The outcome of that, especially on low-booked priority flights, is you get a huge load of gate bags despite the overhead lockers being relatively empty, which causes the handling delays. The policy only really works well where there's a near 50/50 split of priority vs non-priority pax, but on average only 30% currently book priority (this should rise to the approx. 50% needed under the new rules).

The new policy means all passengers as a standard allowance can take one personal item (with the increased dimensions to 40x20x25cm +25%) that fits under the seat. Only priority passengers are permitted the larger wheelie bag, up to 10kg, on-board for the overhead locker (this will be capped to maximum 95 pax per flight). There will also be a new option to check-in a 10kg bag from £/€8 in the usual way at the bag drop desk - this largely replicates EasyJet's recent "hands free" motive. Any non-priority passenger who brings a second, larger bag to the gate will now have it put into the hold at the standard £/€25 baggage fee.

This policy should give far more control to strike the right balance of bags to essentially avoid the old yellow tagged "gate bags" altogether. People who want to take a second larger bag will know in advance if they can take it on-board (ie booking Priority) or to check it in the usual way at the bag drop desk (ie booking the new 10kg check-in option).

And to add to the confusion of course you'll have passengers who bought their tickets under different rules boarding the same flights.

It seems to be easy for everyone else - I wish they'd just charge what they need to for the flights and get on with it.

The problem is that often checking a bag is by far the worst experience of the whole travel. It is not unusual to spend an hour standing in a slow que to check in bag wondering if you going to make it on time. And it is not possible to skip this que like buying fast track for security. I imagine with even more checked bags this is going to get a lot worse.

That's the reason they're charging £/€8 for the check-in option to encourage priority boarding and avoid just shifting the problem to check-in. Getting the right number of people and bags to turn up at the gate is the optimum solution to the problem.

​​​​​​​Wizz now have a nearly identical system however they don't charge to check-in a cabin bag. Sounds great on the face of it but think how many people must opt for the free check-in option and the overhead lockers end up flying half empty as only say 30 pax forked out for the priority option. I cant comment from personal experience but it must make Wizz check-in a nightmare, or cost them an awful lot in extra resource.

..and for those paying for the privilege of checked bags with Ryanair......we have 4 hour waits at Manchester Airport for baggage claim:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-bags-15071778

Any extra money earned by RYR will go to RYR's profits, it's not likely to be used to improve ground services.

I'm not sure whether MOL has ever given a toss about fairness - whether to his customers or his staff.

It's almost as though he thoroughly enjoys being Mr Nasty.

And to be fair, he's made zillions being Mr Nasty, so him and his airline aren't going to change now.

All 1st world problems in the grand scheme of things. People get their knickers in a twist over some really very insignificant things when you look around the world at bigger life issues. Some just love a good old moan fest.:ugh:

'EGAC is better',
how do you manage to get on last on a full flight and still get your bag into the overhead? In my experience the gate staff have been almost militant with getting people down the queue, requiring then to put their bag in the hold!

In my opinion, there are such mixed messages in the media about what this change actually means..must read up again.

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I have seen this as well where overheads are pretty much empty.

Alledgedly :O the glue wasn't good on one of my bags as the tags seemed to come off easily.

Who supplies the ground services and do you think it was only 1 specific airline impacted ?

Wizzair checkin at LTN is a nightmare where it has taken 50 minutes for a checkin bag.

Think there should be an option to become available for a self service bag drop option where machine prints out your tags for you to attach.

Self service machine which prints out your tag to go on a bag and emails the tag number to the booking email used or is available on the App with booking reference.

In Volgograd in Russia (very small airport) they checked everybody luggage picked up V tag given when checked it in. Could be a random option for increased security on bag collection.

£5 per pax each way
£12 for up to 6 people (on the same booking) each way

Anyone able to say when the summer 2019 schedule will be released in full ? In 2017 I think the schedule for S18 came out at the end of August 2017. Barring ski destinations, most seasonal routes are summer only. Once the schedule for S19 is out it's usually the most effective way to decide which routes are being cut without having to decipher various pieces of marketing spin....
Yes, I know Brexit will happen at the very start of S19...