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SWBKCB 24th Apr 2018 08:12


With expansion, we will boost our domestic connections to 14 routes

have we misunderstood ?
How many routes do HAL operate? Making a promise they can't keep?

Trinity 09L 24th Apr 2018 11:21

HAL make many promises, plans and financial commitments they cannot keep:=

bcn_boy 24th Apr 2018 12:26


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10128465)
How many routes do HAL operate? Making a promise they can't keep?

Why are these 14 domestic routes not up and running already? Donít believe anything that HAL state. They will never run the domestics, there is just no money to be made.

Skipness One Echo 24th Apr 2018 12:44


Why are these 14 domestic routes not up and running already?
Because slots are constrained as there has been no runway expansion, hence existing slots are used for routes with a better chance of making money. Marginal domestic routes like LPL/NQY/MME/IOM/JER/GCI etc would in all honesty need some form of subsidy or a change in the charging regime with a third runway. It's the latter HAL are talking about.


HAL make many promises, plans and financial commitments they cannot keep
Just for fun, give me your top 5 broken promises made by HAL/BAA, genuine question as you have been local for longer than me I think?

My favourite ever broken promise was "No jets ever at LCY," as for public policy, no Parliament is ever bound by it's predecessor.

Dobbo_Dobbo 24th Apr 2018 16:22


Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 10128161)
Fair point, but when LGW changed their charging policy a while back, they killed flybeís routes to INV, GCI, JER, BHD and NQY overnight. EZY was the winner but business connectivity was lost as frequency was lost, NQY-LGW was reprieved only because HMG approved a sunsidy. Now that subsidy would generate a lot more inbound traffic if it was NQY-LHR instead, due to many more connections at Hounslow Intl.

Public and private sector are interconnected more than we admit. There would be no railway without subsidy yet we see the benefit in getting us from A to B.

Yes, public and private sector are intertwined, but when two central parts of LHR's case for expansion (regional connectivity, and no taxpayer cost) are so obviously undermined it casts further doubt on their remaining claims (some of which are misleading at best, dishonest at worst).

Heathrow Harry 24th Apr 2018 17:20

If they could get IAG to commit, legally, to serving 14 domestic routes for say 10 years people would listen

Otherwise it's smoke & mirrors
N

bcn_boy 24th Apr 2018 21:01


Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 10128726)
Because slots are constrained as there has been no runway expansion, hence existing slots are used for routes with a better chance of making money. Marginal domestic routes like LPL/NQY/MME/IOM/JER/GCI etc would in all honesty need some form of subsidy or a change in the charging regime with a third runway. It's the latter HAL are talking about.


Just for fun, give me your top 5 broken promises made by HAL/BAA, genuine question as you have been local for longer than me I think?

My favourite ever broken promise was "No jets ever at LCY," as for public policy, no Parliament is ever bound by it's predecessor.

If they are not profitable now, they certainly wonít be with the third runway and the costs for building it which will be passed on to airlines. Itís all smoke and mirrors.

Trinity 09L 2nd May 2018 11:09

ATC were busy on Monday 30.4.18 between 1200 and 1400 hours there were six go-arounds due to the weather. I have seen the pattern on web tack, but unable to download the pattern of the movements/directions.

DaveReidUK 2nd May 2018 12:46


Originally Posted by Trinity 09L (Post 10136000)
ATC were busy on Monday 30.4.18 between 1200 and 1400 hours there were six go-arounds due to the weather. I have seen the pattern on web tack, but unable to download the pattern of the movements/directions.

Links: OS453, QR003, BA855, BA919, SK531, BA343

Trinity 09L 2nd May 2018 20:06

DRUK
Many thanks, looks as though BA919 had the star performance.:ok:

ETOPS 3rd May 2018 06:37

Latest alternative expansion plans from Arora ...

Arora Group

DaveReidUK 3rd May 2018 07:44


Originally Posted by ETOPS (Post 10136764)
Latest alternative expansion plans from Arora ...

Arora Group

I don't understand why this is in the news today, given that it was announced in July 2017 and reported widely in the media at the time:

Arora: What are we proposing?

BBC: 'Cheaper' Heathrow airport third runway plans proposed

As I posted as the time:


Much of the proposed savings would come, we're told, by scrapping most of the planned T6 satellites (and hence gates) and the proposed T2 expansion (ditto).

So R3 gets built, increasing passengers and movements by up to 50%, but with barely more gates than at present.

A perfect illustration of why airports don't tend to get designed by hotel developers.

Dobbo_Dobbo 3rd May 2018 08:08

It is symptomatic of the shambolic nature of this process that parliament are apparently going to vote to approve a scheme where LHR have recently called out to the public for fresh ideas and the rival scheme is rehashing something from a year ago.

Whilst the political part of the process continues to go round in circles, the legal, financial and environmental impediments remain.

DaveReidUK 11th May 2018 08:11

Western Rail Access Consultation starts today 11th May
 
Western Rail Link to Heathrow

Mr Mac 11th May 2018 11:10

Prophead
There speaks the voice of someone living in the home counties who has not had the delightful BA announcement that having travelled over half the planet that BA have cancelled the MAN shuttle due to none specific operational reasons, and that you will now be put on a coach to MAN, which will due to traffic take a further 4 hrs, and then have a further possible 2hr drive home due to hitting rush hour. This happened to me numerous times, and do not mention when, or if your bags will arrive. To be honest anybody who lives in the SE who comments on how we need to have extra capacity for regional conductivity is missing the point as far as LH travel is concerned from the regions. That ship has largely sailed for me and many others who now travel ME3 or Europe Hub. Our national carrier is not what it was, and LHR is not a good experience to transit, which is compounded with the cancellations already mentioned. Also I am not here to financially prop up mediocre service from BA / LHR with my, or my companies money. As for travelling to London I always take the train its easier from Yorkshire. Also I understand to a degree where you are coming from, having kept a London residence and indeed worked out of there for 20 + years it is easy to believe you are indeed the centre of things as far as UK is concerned. However having now moved full time out of the SE, and working out of northern UK and Munich, the issues of regional connectivity in particular with regards LH flights are very clear and I am a committed none user of both BA and LHR unless client is adamant. As for Brexit I personally made my choice and will have to live with consequences good or bad, but I do not believe an extra runway will help UK PLC one way or the other apart from throwing more money into London infrastructure projects (new road tunnel announced today for a further Billion I see) where the north can not even get new train carriges.

Regards
Mr Mac

Skipness One Echo 11th May 2018 13:28


Our national carrier is not what it was
Agree entirely, it hasn't been our national carrier since 1987,some 31 years ago.

SWBKCB 12th May 2018 08:02


The amount of connections and access this could provide to the regionals means it's a win win for the whole of the UK.
Note the word "could" - call me cynical, but it's a big "if" as to whether these connections ever materialise. Given the amount of money involved it's a big gamble for the regions to support (not that I'm dumb enough to think that the money would leave the south east if it's not spent on LHR)


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