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easyflyer83 27th Jun 2018 20:33


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10182659)
Still in shock! Just passed through T3 security at 8:30am today (Wednesday 27th) and zero queues for security- walked straight in to the scanning areas.
so it can be done after all - who would have thought it!

Any terminal at MAN after first wave and in between subsequent waves is usually a very passable experience. Again, it comes down to the fact that the airport had so many based aircraft that makes the experience, usually first thing, a horrible experience.

T3 mid morning on Sunday was an absolute breeze.

Scottie Dog 27th Jun 2018 21:17

As you say Manchester has a large number of based aircraft - I understand it's 88 including VIR & TCX long-haul but excluding nightstoppers such as BAW & KLM. No wonder there are high numbers of 1st wave departures.

Espada III 28th Jun 2018 06:55

But your 5,000 per hour is over three terminals. So in T1 for instance, you might say 2,000 passengers per hour which is 33 per minute. A lot, but if they use 6 security lanes, that is say 6 per minute per lane. Not totally impossible and if they opened more lanes, the flow would be faster and people would have longer time in duty-free or buying food.

roverman 28th Jun 2018 07:53


Originally Posted by Espada III (Post 10183356)
But your 5,000 per hour is over three terminals. So in T1 for instance, you might say 2,000 passengers per hour which is 33 per minute. A lot, but if they use 6 security lanes, that is say 6 per minute per lane. Not totally impossible and if they opened more lanes, the flow would be faster and people would have longer time in duty-free or buying food.

Declared departure capacity of T1 is 3000 per hour and it's hitting that in first wave. T3 @ 1500 ph likewise. T2 is, I think, 2500 ph and has less demand since the Monarch collapse.

MKY661 28th Jun 2018 12:23


Originally Posted by roverman (Post 10183391)
Declared departure capacity of T1 is 3000 per hour and it's hitting that in first wave. T3 @ 1500 ph likewise. T2 is, I think, 2500 ph and has less demand since the Monarch collapse.

With the rumours that Jet2 will move more flights over to T2 in 2019 hopefully it'll help stop T1 from hitting that big number.

Plane.Silly 28th Jun 2018 15:28


With the rumours that Jet2 will move more flights over to T2 in 2019 hopefully it'll help stop T1 from hitting that big number.
Or it could free up space for other operators to grow. The number will be reached regardless. the Jet2 move would just delay the inevitable.
Following on from that, does anyone know any more about the destinations moving over to T2?

RAS_2001 29th Jun 2018 12:00

It's been rumoured Pegasus are going to start a 4x weekly service from Manchester to Instanbul Sabiha-GoÁken. Any truth to these rumours?

AndrewH52 29th Jun 2018 13:44

Actually the average seating capacity is closer to 210 per aircraft, rather than 180. Donít forget out of the c.90 aircraft based, 20 are wide bodies and a further 20 are A321/B757s.

By my reckoning the based capacity equates to over 19,000 seats - over half of this at T1. With declared terminal capacity of 3000 departing pax per hour at T1, the first wave needs to stretch over almost 3.5 hours. This also doesnít factor in night stopping LH flights.

Of course this assumes every seat is taken, but as we approach peak summer the likelihood is they pretty much will be.

FFMAN 29th Jun 2018 14:03

Nothing at all wrong with having based planes - in fact they create good well paid jobs for the local economy. What is wrong is MAN management's inability to plan and implement a strategy for dealing with the consequences.
T1 is woefully inadequate for handling the number of passengers it already does - although I suspect if all the security lanes were fully open and staffed adequately, that part of the operation might just about cope. Am I right in stating that T1 at MAN would still be the biggest airport outside London in its own right?
Whatever, the wrecking ball can't come soon enough for this particular lashed together set of compromises..
Going through there first thing Sunday morning for another trip - dreading it.
.

roverman 29th Jun 2018 16:35


Originally Posted by AndrewH52 (Post 10184358)
Actually the average seating capacity is closer to 210 per aircraft, rather than 180. Don’t forget out of the c.90 aircraft based, 20 are wide bodies and a further 20 are A321/B757s.

By my reckoning the based capacity equates to over 19,000 seats - over half of this at T1. With declared terminal capacity of 3000 departing pax per hour at T1, the first wave needs to stretch over almost 3.5 hours. This also doesn’t factor in night stopping LH flights.

Of course this assumes every seat is taken, but as we approach peak summer the likelihood is they pretty much will be.

Got to remember that most of the based wide-bodies are on long-haul and do not depart in the first wave, before 0900. They behave almost the same as non-based long-haul, i.e. in the air overnight, arriving 0530 onwards and not departing until after 0900. Long-haul departures peak between 1000 and 1300, with a small East-bound wave in the evening.

LAX_LHR 29th Jun 2018 16:44

All of the Airport staff will rejoice to know staff east is closing as a staff car park and JetParks 1 becoming a staff car park starting 23rd July.

MKY661 29th Jun 2018 16:54


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10184385)
Going through there first thing Sunday morning for another trip - dreading it.
.

I am as well, hoping for a good experience but probably won't be the case haha

LAX_LHR 29th Jun 2018 17:41

Thorley lane opposite T2.

The96er 30th Jun 2018 00:43


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10184543)
Thorley lane opposite T2.

The car park on Thorley lane would not be big enough to act as a staff car park alone (Look on Google earth for size comparison). Are you sure it's not the one on Ringway rd ?

LAX_LHR 30th Jun 2018 08:21

The memo to staff that went out indicated JetParks one, which is that car park on thorley Lane.

jetparks 2 is the car park across the road (enterprise way) and the one under short finals (shadow moss road) is called jetparks ringway.

some staff are also being allocated spaces in T1/T3 midstay so maybe that’s how they intend to squeeeze everyone into JP1?

Navpi 30th Jun 2018 10:13

I noticed in the latest "State Of The Nation" PR piece, the airport CEO suggested capacity will rise to 45m with the new TP.

We appear to have quietly lost 10m ! All the previous PR puff pieces suggested capacity would ACTUALLY rise to 55m.

Can I launch an appeal for the missing 10m !

LAX_LHR 30th Jun 2018 10:29

45m is probably a better number. No pint trying to improve the passenger experience at one end and then try and cram them in like sardines at the other end. 45m should see MAN until about 2030 and then building on the T1/3 site can boost the capacity again.

roverman 30th Jun 2018 12:40


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10184963)
I noticed in the latest "State Of The Nation" PR piece, the airport CEO suggested capacity will rise to 45m with the new TP.<br /><br />We appear to have quietly lost 10m ! All the previous PR puff pieces suggested capacity would ACTUALLY rise to 55m.<br /><br />Can I launch an appeal for the missing 10m !

<br /><br />55 Million is the ultimate potential of the two runways according to MAG. Such calculations are always open to question as runways determine ATM and not the passenger volume directly. No one is suggesting that figure can be achieved wit just the MAN-TP development. A lot more will be needed after 2024 but TP will have shifted the centre of the airport to T2 allowing for the T1 / T3 site to be developed.<br /><br />On the staff car parking, T3 mid-stay is currently being double-decked with a quickly assembled steel structure and so will be able to take a good deal more soon.

Curious Pax 1st Jul 2018 07:49

FWIW (not a lot I know!) breezed through security just now. In through the turnstiles at 0710, out the other side before 0725. Staff a bit grumpy though- that sort of thing usually filters down from the superiors so perhaps the head of security should be looking at how he works.

I expected a lot more queuing as despite being Sunday we are still due out in the middle of the TCX long haul/ Etihad/ Emirates 380 rush.

Navpi 1st Jul 2018 09:33

Hammer blow by xxxxs in Whitehall to aspirations of transport connectivity to Man Airport as Trans Penine electrification is about to get cancelled.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/61267934-7ca0-11e8-8ce4-0bcac63244b2

The North should introduce it's own National Anthem

"we've been shafted again"


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