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LAX_LHR 6th Jul 2018 08:32

Yes Dublin has strength going West compared to MAN, but on the flip side, MAN has the strength going east and still getting stronger. So, it’s all swings and roundabouts really.

RAS_2001 9th Jul 2018 14:15

LAX yes Dublin are very strong heading west, but you cannot deny the fact that we have sustain direct flights to places such as IAH and SEA, of which would've seemed obsurred just over a decade ago. I can also see a lot of opportunities for Manchester looking west. Two possible destinations in my opinion would be the resumption of Washington and maybe somewhere like San Jose and San Diego, two very popular destinations, especially in the summer months. So I cannot see why Man could not sustain 3 or 4 flights a week to those destinations a week.

Fairdealfrank 9th Jul 2018 17:11


Check their expenses, lots of taxi and first class train and plane fares but no public transport, perish the thought !
Er, first class train and plane are public transport.

roverman 9th Jul 2018 17:32


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10192439)
LAX yes Dublin are very strong heading west, but you cannot deny the fact that we have sustain direct flights to places such as IAH and SEA, of which would've seemed obsurred just over a decade ago. I can also see a lot of opportunities for Manchester looking west. Two possible destinations in my opinion would be the resumption of Washington and maybe somewhere like San Jose and San Diego, two very popular destinations, especially in the summer months. So I cannot see why Man could not sustain 3 or 4 flights a week to those destinations a week.

As a priority we could do with seeing primary cities like Los Angeles and Boston with a year round and preferably daily service rather than scatter gun service to secondary holiday destinations. Washington needs a daily year round as the US capital. Chicago is now a short season service and must be in the 'at risk' category. It's a shame that VS and MT can't somehow avoid flying to BOS and SFO on the same days at the same time, leaving gaping holes in the services across the week. The same is going to happen with LAX next year.
Taken overall though, MAN's US offering is a leap on from where it was 5 years ago.

LAX_LHR 9th Jul 2018 18:02

Qatar to upgrade the morning and afternoon flights to A359 from 28th October, evening flight remains B788.

From 18th Sept, the Morning flight also goes daily, meaning service will be 18 weekly overall.

confirmed and bookable on all platforms.

LAX_LHR 9th Jul 2018 19:00

Local press in Greece is running a story about Volos Airport. In that story it states Easyjet will open a MAN-Volos link next summer.

Logohu 10th Jul 2018 01:08


Qatar to upgrade the morning and afternoon flights to A359 from 28th October,
A welcome development for those like me who usually fly Economy, the Qatar A359 is a much nicer ride than the B788 in my experience.

Between the aircraft type change and additional flights I make that a 22% increase in seats for Qatar on the route. With EK's 3x daily A380, Oman also now using their latest kit, Cathay upgrading to A350-1000, and Jet Airways about to start to India there really is an incredible amount of capacity and choice heading East from MAN nowadays compared to just a few years ago

RAS_2001 10th Jul 2018 01:54

Very interesting selection of easyjet, I personally thought they might have looked to utilise areas from where monarch left a gaping hole such as direct flights to mainland Croatia.

I guess only time will tell as to whether or not easyjet look to further expand their diversification of different European destinations from where they currently are.
​​​​​​Additionally, I believe that Volos is a wise and quite out of the box route to be starting up, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Mr A Tis 10th Jul 2018 06:15

More negative customer experiences as car windows smashed in T1 multi storey
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...theft-14887565

Also trouble at mill with black cab taxi drivers who are boycotting all terminals

LAX_LHR 10th Jul 2018 07:20

RAS_2001

while it wasn’t served at the time of Monarch going under, I believe Monarch did use to serve Volos from Manchester. There will be more routes from Easyjet, this will just be one of them as it’s been reported at that end of the route rather than this end.

FFMAN 10th Jul 2018 08:22


Originally Posted by Logohu (Post 10192897)
A359 is a much nicer ride than the B788 in my experience.

Have ridden both several times now and the A350, I agree, is a much more sophisticated aircraft and a nicer ride. For me it's the best plane in the sky at the moment from a pax perspective.

DP. 10th Jul 2018 08:36


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10193003)
Also trouble at mill with black cab taxi drivers who are boycotting all terminals

Prioritising their relationship with Arrow Cars has long been more important to MAN than providing a good service to passengers.

We arrived back around 23.00 on Sunday night (and then having to negotiate a queue for passport control which snaked all the way out of the area, and both ways around the T1 arrivals corridor) we were told it'd be 'at least an hour' before Arrow Cars could provide a taxi.

It's laughably poor.

LAX_LHR 10th Jul 2018 09:09

Continuing on from yesterday, Qatar Airways now confirmed and bookable as 21 weekly from 1st June 2019. All 3 flights daily.

TURIN 10th Jul 2018 16:03


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10193122)
Continuing on from yesterday, Qatar Airways now confirmed and bookable as 21 weekly from 1st June 2019. All 3 flights daily.

Damn, i used to enjoy the odd quiet late shift.

Trav a la 10th Jul 2018 16:32

I departed via T3 yesterday (Monday), arrived at 0615 and through security within 5 minutes, no delays what so ever.

i was expecting the worst but received a very nice surprise, unfortunately that only lasted a short while as my Ryanair flight to AGP was then delayed by nearly 5 hours. Oh well,

RAS_2001 10th Jul 2018 18:04

The A350 will give customers a much more contemporary and futuristic experience, with on-board LED lighting and a broad variety of channels to choose from, it will be truly luxurious.

MKY661 10th Jul 2018 18:12


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10193042)
RAS_2001

while it wasn’t served at the time of Monarch going under, I believe Monarch did use to serve Volos from Manchester. There will be more routes from Easyjet, this will just be one of them as it’s been reported at that end of the route rather than this end.

Signs that EasyJet are still planning their apparent big expansion at MAN that was postponed this summer?

MANFOD 10th Jul 2018 19:06

June stats:

Terminal pax up 3.4%
Total pax up 3.45%
Freight down 6.99%

Over 93,000 more pax in June this year.
The rolling 12 months total pax incl. transit is now over 28m.
Terminal pax is just 86,000 below the 28m.

TURIN 11th Jul 2018 15:50


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10193603)
The A350 will give customers a much more contemporary and futuristic experience, with on-board LED lighting and a broad variety of channels to choose from, it will be truly luxurious.

The 787 has on-board LED lighting and a broad variety of channels to choose from.....

RAS_2001 11th Jul 2018 17:28


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10194369)
The 787 has on-board LED lighting and a broad variety of channels to choose from.....

Yes, however the LED lighting on the A350 looks a lot better in many ways. Also, I find the 787 is a little too over cramped, and the screens are nowhere near as impressive as the A350, which has a wider and sleeker layout from what I can see.
If you're travelling on business class, the Cirrus seats provide a lot more legroom conpared to the 787, so in turn you feel a lot more comfortable and relaxed rather than on a 788 or for that matter 789.

CabinCrewe 11th Jul 2018 18:27

is there still financial issues hanging over Hainan and are they serious eg likely to ultimately impact on UK ops. Seems issues around funding of some previously ordered aircraft.

LAX_LHR 12th Jul 2018 06:53

6 new Easyjet routes this winter.

Lisbon (already announced)
Bordeaux (long overdue, been unserved for a very long time ex-MAN)
Barcelona and Faro (been obvious omissions from the MAN Easyjet network for a long time)
Innsbruck and Lanzarote (2 more good choices).

easyflyer83 12th Jul 2018 07:58

Equates to an additional 5 based aircraft over the next 12 months.

LAX_LHR 12th Jul 2018 10:20

Easyjet have confirmed MAN will see 5 more based aircraft, making it the largest operation in the U.K. outside of London.

2 more aircraft based this winter, 3 next summer making 17 based in total. Ali Gayward has also said this will be the largest single base increase on the network for 2019.

AndrewH52 12th Jul 2018 10:24


Originally Posted by easyflyer83 (Post 10194835)
Equates to an additional 5 based aircraft over the next 12 months.

Not quite sure how you get to that number? 14 flights a week is barely enough to keep one aircraft occupied. Surely this is just making the most of capacity added this summer?

MKY661 12th Jul 2018 12:13

Great news about the Expansion, hopefully we'll see an increase in GIB flights too.

Hopefully Jet2 will have moved more flights over to T2 though, otherwise T1 is gonna be manic!

easyflyer83 12th Jul 2018 12:46


Originally Posted by AndrewH52 (Post 10194934)


Not quite sure how you get to that number? 14 flights a week is barely enough to keep one aircraft occupied. Surely this is just making the most of capacity added this summer?

sorry, I was referring to the overall base expansion. Worded incorrectly.

AndrewH52 12th Jul 2018 13:31


Originally Posted by easyflyer83 (Post 10195049)


sorry, I was referring to the overall base expansion. Worded incorrectly.

No worries. I’ve seen the press release now. Surely something had to give somewhere - T1 is bursting at the seams as it is and trying to add 1.5m pax in one hit sounds like a recipe for chaos. It’s making the terminal expansion even less fit for purpose than it already is.

Ringwayman 12th Jul 2018 13:52

5 or 6 Jet2 aircraft to go fron T1 to T2 will help matters

The96er 12th Jul 2018 14:39

Aren't TCX penciled in for a move to T2 when the new extension opens ? - even with TCX/Jet2 moving Ops to T2, parking space will very limited across the airport for next summer. No doubt there will be further increases from RYR/Jet2/CFE/TCX etc.. in due course too.

Northsky 12th Jul 2018 15:50

As a consumer in the north-west, I don't feel today's announcement is as good as what everyone is making out. None of these are routes that Easyjet haven't served from the north-west before, or currently do.

Take for example Lisbon. That route actually has Easyjets highest load factor out of Liverpool (I know its not the be all and end all but a good sign of its success). They now appear to be discontinuing it from there and moving it to Manchester, where they will take on TAP and Ryanair. Not only do I have one less airport to choose from when flying to Lisbon but there's a risk TAP could reduce its frequency/withdraw.

This is nothing new, and a similar pattern with Bordeaux, Innsbruck etc. As a fare paying passenger I just feel competition and choice are being whittled down from this region a little bit each year (even with Blackpool closing a few years ago, not Easyjets fault!).

I know why they do it, get more of a monopoly on something you can charge more per seat!

On the other hand, as for Barcelona, Faro and Lanzarote, I think it might just make prices more competitive between Jet2 and Ryanair. Not likely to affect any legacy or smaller carriers. In that sense I suppose that type of competition will benefit the local consumer.

AndrewH52 12th Jul 2018 15:54


Originally Posted by Ringwayman (Post 10195092)
5 or 6 Jet2 aircraft to go fron T1 to T2 will help matters

Will it? T2 at capacity at peak times too and the next phase of construction is likely to be much more disruptive.

Mr A Tis 13th Jul 2018 06:44

30 UK airports rated for service to passengers with a disability: 16 very good, 10 good, 3 need improvements and 1 poor ow.ly/rDYN50hXScL #AccessToAir

New report from the CAA on disability- Guess which airport was rated poor (2nd year running)

i don,t know how the airport will cope with further new routes as it really is struggling to handle the traffic it already has.
Having made record profits there really is no excuse on providing a better passenger experience, disabled or otherwise.

come on Manchester, this is getting embarrassing being bottom of almost every survey going.
you are destroying the reputation of what was a great airport.

Mister Geezer 13th Jul 2018 07:18

In fact the CAA ranked MAN at the bottom. The article below is an interesting read for those interested.

Four airports found to be failing disabled passengers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44807283

RAS_2001 13th Jul 2018 10:58

TUI have announced that they are starting direct flights from Manchester to Aqaba, Muscat, and Langkawi in Malaysia, I would imagine that LGK would even a seasonal destination, unsure about the other 2.

pholling 13th Jul 2018 11:14


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10195569)
30 UK airports rated for service to passengers with a disability: 16 very good, 10 good, 3 need improvements and 1 poor ow.ly/rDYN50hXScL #AccessToAir

New report from the CAA on disability- Guess which airport was rated poor (2nd year running)

i don,t know how the airport will cope with further new routes as it really is struggling to handle the traffic it already has.
Having made record profits there really is no excuse on providing a better passenger experience, disabled or otherwise.

come on Manchester, this is getting embarrassing being bottom of almost every survey going.
you are destroying the reputation of what was a great airport.

The CAA report is crap, i.e. so poorly written that it boarders on arbitrary. However, it seems MAN clearly has or has had issues with the handling of disabled passengers. It is also pretty clear that the airlines are probably even worse. I would guess that there are some airlines that are much worse than others and are also much less likely to be willing to pay for quality service at an airport. Smaller airports tend to do better, and this may be because they are 'minimum gauge' on the service, where as the larger airports are much more dependent on specific staffing levels. Incidentally, this isn't a survey and the CAA doesn't make directly, accessible reference to the passenger satisfaction survey results for individual airports, just the industry as a whole.

chaps1954 13th Jul 2018 11:23

Northsky I think you will find that most of those routes were ex Monarch ones and have been crying out for someone to step in and take them on,
Easyjet were trying to get them up and going this year but it proved just too difficult so this should put us back where we were before the demise of Monarch
I am suprised they are moving the Lisbon from Liverpool but maybe they think they can make more money or they had a gap to fill

Ian

LAX_LHR 13th Jul 2018 11:25

One of the issues is that OCS has a monopoly on PRM assistance, thus, the desire to provide a decent service dwindles. Prime example being one particular night when a Lourdes flight was operating (pretty much full PRM flight) and OCS thought it was appropriate to have just 4 members of staff present on the whole Airport site. This is why service suffers. I’m not making excuses as it needs to be sorted, but, it just gives a snapshot as to what the issue is.

Its not the fault of the airlines, as on my travels I haven’t personally seen an airline that handles the full PRM experience in house, so, unfair to say they are worse. They can only work with the tools being provided, and in many cases, they are inadequate for the job.

pholling 13th Jul 2018 11:31


Originally Posted by AndrewH52 (Post 10195188)


Will it? T2 at capacity at peak times too and the next phase of construction is likely to be much more disruptive.

All depends on what MAN does with their capacity declarations. If the terminal is oversubscribed at specific times then some flights will have to move to other times. Incidentally, T2, according to the ACL S18 start report, is nowhere near it's declared passenger capacity for any point in the day, both arrivals and departures and 60 and 120 min capacities. T1 and T3 have times when they are either are or, very briefly, just over their capacities. Of course the MAN may be declaring way too much capacity, especially if the next phase is more disruptive.

Flightrider 13th Jul 2018 12:00


One of the issues is that OCS has a monopoly on PRM assistance
EU1107/2006 removed the responsibility of PRM provision from airlines individually - who used to be able to contract with any of a range of competing suppliers - and handed that responsibility to airports, who by and large have contracted with a single supplier for their entire PRM requirements, the costs of which are then met by a PRM levy on every passenger's ticket. All of the airports assessed in this year's CAA report have a monopoly provider for PRM assistance so it's a level playing field - and one backed by EU regs - in that respect. I think there are a couple of airports where the operator provides the service with its own staff, but for the mostpart, it is contracted out to third parties who are then managed (or not) by the airport operator.

Having flown through MAN T3, EMA and STN all in the last month, there is a common theme through all three of a total lack of customer service. For balance, I've also flown through GLA, EDI, LHR, LGW too, all of which have been far better. I find the MAG airports to be poor in comparison. Security queues at all three are routinely longer than anywhere else; they are still paying people to shout at you for daring to look at your mobile phone when in the lengthy queue; there is a lack of airside seating particularly in MAN T3 and even basics like cleaning and toilet checks are poor - EMA this week was a disgrace. I don't know if they have someone in MAG responsible group-wide for security and customer services, but if they have, the individual needs to be replaced by someone competent. Other airports are managing infrastructure and big construction projects well, alongside delivering a customer experience on a day-to-day basis. Grand though MAG's future plans are - and I'm sure they will improve things - there are still several million passengers going through their airports in the meantime for whom the experiences are pretty grim. I'm not surprised they're bottom of every league table going - it reflects the customer reality of all three airports today.


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