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NorvernSuvna 2nd Apr 2020 09:13

Over the past few months, I have had freight arrive on trucks from LHR, STN, AMS, EMA ( particularly Lufthansa ) and LUX , so although the shipments don't arrive directly from aircraft, the MAN handling and customs clearance agents and onward delivery truckers obtain the revenue....

Mr Mac 8th Apr 2020 15:10

What was the large 4 engine transport with T tail that landed around 16.10 . I only glimpsed it from 15 miles away from behind. Looked too large for C17, could it be Russian or US, not on flight radar before you ask.
Kind regards
Mr Mac

750XL 8th Apr 2020 15:16

RAF C17, touch n goes

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9d11ac761e.png

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=519070098998581

Mr Mac 8th Apr 2020 16:40

750XL
Thank you for the confirmation. I got binoculars on it on later passes so ID C17 as you say. Probably breaks the boredom up in the tower, and approach at Manchester currently. It did not show up on Flight radar when I checked though.

Kind regards
Mr Mac

750XL 8th Apr 2020 17:49


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 10743933)
750XL
Thank you for the confirmation. I got binoculars on it on later passes so ID C17 as you say. Probably breaks the boredom up in the tower, and approach at Manchester currently. It did not show up on Flight radar when I checked though.

Kind regards
Mr Mac

https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/

This website will show you anything that FlightRadar doesn't. Press the 'U' at the top to filter military only stuff. Quite interesting

rustyflyer 8th Apr 2020 18:48


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 10743862)
What was the large 4 engine transport with T tail that landed around 16.10 . I only glimpsed it from 15 miles away from behind. Looked too large for C17, could it be Russian or US, not on flight radar before you ask.
Kind regards
Mr Mac

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4407f7159f.jpg
I was curious too! Russ

cuthere 8th Apr 2020 20:45

Itís a C17 Globemaster from RAF Brize Norton. Training mission. Thereís one doing circuits at Brize as I type.

rustyflyer 9th Apr 2020 07:58


Originally Posted by 750XL (Post 10743866)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....614915622a.png
And a few more!
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f1035f96b.jpg
Landing on the neighbours roof!

Suzeman 21st Apr 2020 10:43

I've read elsewhere that the airfield will now only be open from 0700 - 2100 (I assume local) UFN. Can't see a NOTAM yet though

Previously the passenger terminal was only open for limited hours. but the runway was H24 for emergencies, freighters etc

Sad times for all

Scottie Dog 21st Apr 2020 11:02

This NOTAM was dated yesterday and so should be pretty accurate:

Q) EGTT/QFAAH/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 20/04/20 05:00C) TO: 20/05/31 23:59E) COVID 19 INFORMATION: AD WILL ONLY BE OPERATIONAL FOR SCHEDULED
INBOUND FLIGHTS BTN 0500-1500 DAILY AND SCHEDULED DEPARTING FLIGHTS
BTN 0700-1500 DAILY. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT AFFECT THE FOLLOWING
FLIGHTS:
1. ACFT IN STATE OF EMERGENCY
2. CARGO FLIGHTS
3. TECHNICAL LANDING
4. SPECIAL FLIGHTS/REPATRIATION/HUMANITARIAN
5. PRIVATE FLIGHTS
EXCEPT ACFT IN EMERGENCY THE EXEMPTED FLIGHTS ARE TO SEEK
PRE-AUTHORISATION (PPR) FROM THE AD OPERATOR TEL +44 (0)161 489
3331. AIR OPERATORS ARE ABLE TO FILE EGCC AS AN ALTERNATE
AERODROME. AIR OPERATORS MUST ENSURE GROUND HANDLING SUPPORT IS AVBL
AT ALL TIMES.
FUEL AVBL 05:00-21:00.

AndrewH52 21st Apr 2020 15:30

Fire cover does remain available though H24, albeit reduced to RFFS Cat 7

Adola69 22nd Apr 2020 15:52

You have to admire the audacity and downright obscure reasoning, when they say that they can accept CARGO Flights ?

Really? Since when? We don't have the kit to offload Cargo flights, unless it's out of rear load aircraft type, IL-76, C-17etc and they appear to be sent down the road to EMA, or a small twin!
Stop playing at being an airport for the time being MAN, it's pathetic. You've done nothing whatsoever to help out the

"Northern Powerhouse" in it's requirement for medical kit, food stuffs, and general freight that would have normally been carried in under belly loads.

What a joke.

I wonder if anyone at MA have learnt any salutory lessons out of all this, and that is, if you run a succesful enterprise you must have Diversity,
someting that MAN plainly has not got at all anymore? It is the worst performing airport out of the groups 3.

Adola.



spannersatcx 22nd Apr 2020 17:47

Pax aircraft are operating just carrying cargo, so shouldn't be a problem to offload a 787/350 or whatever.

Rutan16 22nd Apr 2020 17:55

I think MAG group are satisfied with the cargo operations at Stansted and East Midlands at the moment.

As for the lack of handling equipment I think you need to point fingers elsewhere “handlers” oh and Central Government dire management of the crisis compared to the neighbours and our friends in the EU

Queue - Dublin three flights a day to and from Beijing carrying PPE for the last 3 weeks .
France deploying an Antonov 124 daily .
EVEN Poland using the Mriya and LOT 787s !
UK official response to date an A400 to and from Istanbul with civil officials ignoring loadmasters and aircraft weights - Should have been a C17 Half the load left behind and one 777 from BA under duress after halting Chinese flights weeks before many

A bit of perspective please

Oh and Qatar are schedule to operate an extra A359 pure cargo flight tomorrow so things may be about to change just a little,


roverman 22nd Apr 2020 20:06


Originally Posted by Adola69 (Post 10759353)
You have to admire the audacity and downright obscure reasoning, when they say that they can accept CARGO Flights ?

Really? Since when? We don't have the kit to offload Cargo flights, unless it's out of rear load aircraft type, IL-76, C-17etc and they appear to be sent down the road to EMA, or a small twin!
Stop playing at being an airport for the time being MAN, it's pathetic. You've done nothing whatsoever to help out the

"Northern Powerhouse" in it's requirement for medical kit, food stuffs, and general freight that would have normally been carried in under belly loads.

What a joke.

I wonder if anyone at MA have learnt any salutory lessons out of all this, and that is, if you run a succesful enterprise you must have Diversity,
someting that MAN plainly has not got at all anymore? It is the worst performing airport out of the groups 3.

Adola.

.. if you say so, but historically it makes the biggest share of the profits!

750XL 22nd Apr 2020 20:25

Do you have any idea of how much ground handling equipment costs, to offload these said dedicated freighter aircraft (ie 747F nose loading). What company in their right mind is going to pay for this equipment to lay idle for months (or years) on end, on the odd chance someone wants to nip in with a bit of freight and pay a few grand for the privilege - when the equipment has cost hundreds of grand?

Rutan16 23rd Apr 2020 07:16


Originally Posted by 750XL (Post 10759562)
Do you have any idea of how much ground handling equipment costs, to offload these said dedicated freighter aircraft (ie 747F nose loading). What company in their right mind is going to pay for this equipment to lay idle for months (or years) on end, on the odd chance someone wants to nip in with a bit of freight and pay a few grand for the privilege - when the equipment has cost hundreds of grand?

Did have one on station in the dim and distant past in fact one of the first in the UK was here in the seventies and used by Lufthansa and World 747F models from time to time

That said nose loading isnít that important indeed is rather avoided much of the time anyway.

Right now though MAG Group really has the more appropriate distribution point a little further east and in a region that has pretty much developed (post mining and steel production) as the national centre of logistics and with the primary domestic food production area on its doorstep.

Though using the same haggered argument as that of the snow ploughs doesnítí necessarily wash with a scissor lifter at a normally 30 million 20 + long haul destination and 100,000 tonne airport thatís for sure.

Doncaster seem to have the equipment and indeed the desire to promote freight including the giants and that Includes the obscure and unique IL62 freighter.





SWBKCB 23rd Apr 2020 07:55


Did have one on station in the dim and distant past in fact one of the first in the UK was here in the seventies and used by Lufthansa and World 747F models from time to time
Isn't the kit for nose loading a 747F the same as that needed for any widebodied main deck freighter, and MAN has handled those in the recent past (LH MD-11/777F's for instance). Anyway, agree that with STN and EMA, MAG isn't short of dedicated freight facilities.

Navpi 23rd Apr 2020 09:27

You send medical equipment to the nearest location airport where it is needed, not an airport 100 or even 230 miles away ?

Would that not seem to be a decision based on "commercial consideration" rather than medical need ?

Absolutely clueless.


Rutan16 23rd Apr 2020 10:02


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10760102)
You send medical equipment to the nearest location airport where it is needed, not an airport 100 or even 230 miles away ?

Would that not seem to be a decision based on "commercial consideration" rather than medical need ?

Absolutely clueless.

No you send freight (any bulk freight) to dedicated distribution centres sort and transfer to vehicles on geographical and timed basis - Thats the most effective and efficient method period stop.

The NHS is also not a free for all when it comes to supplies - All need to be accounted for against NHS England , Scotland, Wales , Northern Ireland, individual Trusts, Regional Health Authorities, Ambulance service etc and chittied and ‘Paid for” and all those agencies need to make appropriate requisitions

The above distribution methodology ensures the paper trails exist (BTW they are far from perfect but still better than none at all)


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