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Plane.Silly 21st Nov 2017 14:11

An interesting route, being the closest to San Marino. They rely on tourism for some of their GDP, so bringing London a lot closer is a pretty good shout, IMHO

toledoashley 21st Nov 2017 15:15

Rimini is also close to Forli, which was Ryanair's entry to Bologna for years, but since dropped. EasyJet used to serve Rimini from Luton.

Keanaga 21st Nov 2017 17:57

FR to RMI
 
Ryanair have tried this route a couple or times over the years.

canberra97 21st Nov 2017 18:01

Ryanair used to serve Stansted to Rimini and it was one of their original Italian routes but the airline fell out with the airport operator and moved their flights to Forli before being dropped altogether.

During the 1960's and 1970's Rimini was once a very popular inclusive tour destination from the United Kingdom.

southside bobby 21st Nov 2017 18:07

Rimini being one of Channel Airways original IT destinations from STN..

davidjohnson6 21st Nov 2017 19:05

STN-RMI was still being flown in summer 2010 - but was dropped not long afterwards

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 12:12

SWR CS100 diverts from LCY..ex ZRH.

Falcon666 22nd Nov 2017 14:09

Primera
S18 Málaga and Alicante added

Not sure if this has been mentioned before

LAX_LHR 22nd Nov 2017 14:10

New based B737 for the new Primera routes. BHX got Palma and Malaga, so, one could expect PMI at STN (2 short routes isn't going to tax the B737) and BHX likely to get ALC too.

Plane.Silly 22nd Nov 2017 14:36

They'd need to source a 2nd a/c, either on a W or a based, as the 1 based a/c at both BHX/STN is operating both routes daily

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 14:46

Primera latest news above fits with the statement contained with their original transatlantic announcement that they would hope to build a short/medium network around the new bases.

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 15:03

Primera.
AGP & ALC both commence 23.4.18 & both daily through to 27.10.18.

compton3bravo 22nd Nov 2017 16:13

I can see another bloodbath coming up unfortunately, had one this year. All those flights to the Western Mediterranean something has got to give!

pabely 22nd Nov 2017 16:23

So do I, even to feed the pond hoping routes this is a cash burner.

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 18:32

Primera Air have extensive knowledge & experience of the Northern Europe "sun market".
This latest announcement has been in the planning some time & will no doubt be helped in STN`s case now by some lack of capacity over to the West.
Hopefully more eventually to come to those politically safe areas & destinations which again Primera Air have experience of.

compton3bravo 22nd Nov 2017 19:04

I wasn't particularly thinking of any particular airline, it is just that there are not enough customers to go around and make a profit. Unfortunately I have seen it many times over a number of years and cannot see it stopping. As I have said a number of times there is also a finite number of passengers who want and can afford to fly plus there is the dreaded 'B' word lurking over the horizon.

inOban 22nd Nov 2017 19:25

And the latest economic forecasts suggest that there must be a slackening in demand. After all Greybull shut down Monarch because they could see that prospects for S18 were awful.

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 19:47

inOban..
Yes...first line acknowledged as such.
Re Greybull/MON...well that`s a whole different "kettle of fish" & rather mis-leading.

daz211 22nd Nov 2017 19:48

Hopefully passengers traveling on the ALC flights will notice the longhaul flights and might make them think of booking or at least look at the prices on offer the ALC passengers will be bag dropping at the same time as longhaul flights if you think about it that could be 189 people each day noticing the longhaul destinations on the check in desks.
I’m sure the ALC and AGP passengers will also be made aware of the longhaul destinations whilst in the air hopefully they will add destination stickers to the overhead bins just like Jet2 if not it’s a big opportunity missed.

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2017 21:05

I`m sure there is aways to go yet with determining the London-Med market from 2018 onward with multiple factors in play,for instance..
NAX capacity drawdown at LGW...MON capacity void both at LGW/LTN...
A lot of evidence EXS has made a market at STN with their particular model.
Smaller scale,EZY at SEN are finding the £££ spinners are their sun routes.
WZZ stating they will not be using any gained slots at LTN for Med flights.
NAX mentioned in the LTN threads from time to time as "considering" ops there,but no take up.
BAW taken up some capacity for sun routes from STN in the guise of BACF.
RYR announce for instance a return to STN-RMI albeit 2 weekly just this week.
Primera Air possibly working strategically too by blocking the North London/Cambridge
market from their Scandi competitor or just purely marking North of the River & onwards to the Midlands with BHX as their own nominal territory.
As mentioned above marketing spin coupled with the trans atlantics will be smart too.
Interesting times anyway.

Plane.Silly 23rd Nov 2017 07:03

Nice summary there Southside, will indeed be interesting. We all predicted the boom in capacity after MON's demise, time will tell if everyone makes it through 2018

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2017 12:29

2nd of the short EXS STN/EWR shopping series flew today...Equipment again B752/W.

pamann 23rd Nov 2017 12:39

So for summer 2018 there are as many airlines/operators flying from STN to ALC as there are from LGW.
Looking at AGP there are five airlines/operators (that's one more than LGW).

It's definitely going to be an interesting summer, surely something's got to give as that's a lot of available seats to these destinations? :confused:

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2017 13:02

EZY A320neo diverts from LTN...ex LIS

ericlday 23rd Nov 2017 13:23

So did a few last night.....must be short of real news !

toledoashley 23rd Nov 2017 15:13

I would also add JetBlue to Southside's list... We should hear within the next few months if they are to launch US-UK.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2017 15:23

Nope ericlday.....all going well ta.....:))

STN406 23rd Nov 2017 15:50

If people are interested a friend of mine let me know some arriving flight figures today.
PC1181 from SAW: 139
KK2001 from IST: 125
EZY3246 from LJU: 156
Also told rumours circulating that SAT 2 is going to be getting an upgrade in the near future.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2017 16:35

STN406..
Thanks for the info & figures..
PC1181 operated by B738.
KK2001 operated by A320 today..this time of year varies between A319/320/321.
EZY3246 operated by 319....All good loadings but EZY 100% load factor which indicates that the routes EZY retain & fly at STN are v well patronized.
SAT 2 interesting as I thought it had work carried out in more recent times..but perhaps being readied for Primera & WOW...Any more news if/when it comes to hand would be great to hear.

STN406 23rd Nov 2017 17:26

Yeah all good loads especially EZY. I think KK and PC both take Cargo to so may make up on the loads their to make it more profitable?
I don’t believe so, flown from SAT 2 gates 20-39 (upstairs) and 81-88 (downstairs/over bridge) over last few years and both where not in the best shape. I think Ryanair’s SAT 3 is a better experience.
Possibly but I personally think SAT 2 will be done at the same time, during or not long after the current terminal is reshaped when the new arrivals building goes up. But who knows. If I get told any more news from my friend that I can pass on I will do.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2017 18:32

Appreciate what you say STN406...Thanks..

pabely 23rd Nov 2017 18:45


EZY3246 operated by 319....All good loadings but EZY 100% load factor which indicates that the routes EZY retain & fly at STN are v well patronized.
EZY published average load factor for year across all routes at 92.6% so anything below that would be a worry but does sound like it would justify a 320 :ok:

canberra97 24th Nov 2017 03:22


Originally Posted by toledoashley (Post 9966977)
I would also add JetBlue to Southside's list... We should hear within the next few months if they are to launch US-UK.

Is JetBlue on your particular wish list as I'm not aware of them going to announce Trans Atlantic in 'the next few months', although I would very much like to see them go transatlantic and hopefully Stansted will be their airport of choice but JetBlue have made no press release or any official announcement regarding going transatlantic and it may well be the case that they don't enter the market at all.

So you can't really add JetBlue to the list as no one knows what's going to happen 'in the next few months' not even JetBlue.

toledoashley 24th Nov 2017 05:47

Representatives of JetBlue have been over here doing a tour of airports - Gatwick, Stansted, Luton & Birmingham from what I've heard. In their latest press conference they said they would be making an announcement shortly if they are doing t/a or not.

Navpi 24th Nov 2017 06:34

Jet Blue is great news
I'm suprised they didn't go to Manchester in view of the MAG ownership but there again I doubt there is any room left for slots or based aircraft.

The expansion at Manchester appears incredible, as these things are cyclical is STN not getting a similar capacity uplift ?

whitelighter 24th Nov 2017 07:05

With all these Spanish routes, it amazes me BCN from stansted is still only served by FR.

Even Reus now has FR and J2. I'd have though BCN could support another few flights a day. I fly a lot and the FR services are always expensive (compared to Gatwick options or Luton options) and absolutely full to the brim

LAX_LHR 24th Nov 2017 07:16

JetBlue have been at MAN too, a few times. I’ve seen one visit myself.

southside bobby 24th Nov 2017 08:25

Navpi.
STN does not have a 9 unit void as MAN.
As posts above tho STN is increasing Med flights across 2018...inc EXS..RYR..Primera & CCM with Sicily.

southside bobby 24th Nov 2017 08:40

JBU interesting...but several options available to them of course..
Not proceeding.... tho they have the right equipment on order.
Proceeding.... tho would better yields be obtainable in their own backyard?.
Proceeding... but not with their own metal (to gauge the dividends perhaps to start) but a marketing exercise with a slightly more established Trans Atlantic carrier?..NAX making public overtures concerning a venture was my latest understanding & would open up the larger market at LGW too.Win/win for both.
It appears there is no shortage of UK airports enticing them then,but this story has been circulating for many months.

southside bobby 24th Nov 2017 09:34

EXS announce a new Sunday departure STN-CFU for Summer 2108.(It all helps).Total now for CFU 3 P.W.
In a presentation in the Diamond Hanger at STN to representatives of 50 specialist tour operators this week EXS state a total of 38 destinations available from STN for Summer 2018.


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