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southside bobby 9th Oct 2017 07:51

Jet2 adding a further 16 rotations @ STN predominately for the half term period Oct & Nov
Tenerife + 9 extending into Nov.
Lanzarote +2
Alicante +2
Majorca +2
Faro +1
Extra 5000 seats in total.

daz211 9th Oct 2017 11:51

Also seen early morning arrivals from PMI base so more rotations than just STN based aircraft

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 09:57

More superlatives....STN September `17 busiest September on record for 2.45m = + 275,000 extra pax for + 12.6% on the month.
Rolling 12 months pax figures up...ditto cargo.

daz211 11th Oct 2017 12:03

I haven’t heard anything but surly satellite 4 must be on the cards soon also looking into the future I think the cargo terminal will have to be moved if more satellite buildings are to be built unless a second terminal is built if you look at birds eye view satellite 4 must be imminent and you can see Cargo is definitely in the way of further expansion regarding satellite 5/6

Skipness One Echo 11th Oct 2017 12:29

Sat 4 should be coming, except.....no one is going to pay for it. Remember STN was built as London's new airport with all the bells and whistles of government backing. Ryanair will not cough up the cash, they don't even want to pay for the train to Sat 1 and 2 which is why there's a walkway to Sat 3. With easyJet and Jet2 being the other major customers, I suspect Sat 4 if it ever arrives will look nothing like the first three. It will be like a bigger version of the end of Sat 3.

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 12:39

daz211...Yes...if I am looking at the same aerial view as you & is the image(nonphotoshopped) MAG are using in some features recently then I count 51 a/c parked on the satellites inc a few on remotes beyond & that is with one side of SAT 1 not shown!.
The only qualification is that it is v obviously an early Summer morning before the first wave out.However the RYR are soon replaced AM with all the European based arrivals too.

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 12:48

Essentially the SAT`s are gate areas....the main facilities for pax are within the departure lounge..
MAG state they are adding more a/c stands commencing this Autumn...where & how they will be facilitated is the question I guess.

STN406 11th Oct 2017 13:31

A friend of mine who works for MAG’s Terminal team said they are looking into the development of a Fourth Satellite currently.
A little bit of other information they told me was that Taxiway Hotel has been extended to Taxiway Echo and the stands on Echo facing south will be finished soon meaning their will be more parking stands available, which would be needed for next summer.
Also the old Hanger 4 site is/has been made into stands. Apparently for day stopping Cargo planes. Hope this helps some of you.

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 13:35

STN406....Very useful...Thanks for the info.

daz211 11th Oct 2017 14:17

Looking at the map it’s very clear to see an easy replication of the current terminal and satellites would be preferably placing a new terminal at FedEx current location you would have a mirror image of the current terminal and satellites all that would be needed is the re location on the Cargo area.

Plane.Silly 11th Oct 2017 14:44

Interesting summation of Monarch's expected passenger loss at MAN on the Manchester thread. Despite the extra seats on sale from Jet2, Easyjet, TUI, Thomas Cook and others, we could see a brief period of negative growth for MAN. This may then mean that STN reclaims the #3 largest UK airport again. One to watch in the next few months/year maybe

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 15:37

Yes...STN will run them a bit closer in the short term..At present the gap is about 2m so it will probably be reduced a little.
STN has it`s own growth travail`s over Winter perhaps with RYR in the form of their announced reductions due crewing issues.
However medium & long term,yes STN will almost certainly cruise ahead being a London area airport.

LAX_LHR 11th Oct 2017 16:38

i wouldn't say 'cruise past'. It will be a drive by speed at best.

It's going to be a close call in the next 5 years, but needless to say, Monarch issue aside for MAN and Ryanair at STN, both airports growing at a good rate, so I wouldn't be sitting there thinking it's going to be a dead cert like you seem to be. 'London' airport or not, both airports have their merits.

MAN has had a chunk taken out by Monarch, but It's made a dent, rather than be a catastrophe. The same couldn't be said about STN if Ryanair, Jet2 or Easyjet were to suddenly stop......

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 17:33

LAX LHR....Very true...very true...But just to highlight potential from a standing start even this time last year both you & I would not have considered Jet2 in your equation regarding STN`s traffic (Indications now of a further doubling of units by 2019)..You would have just stated Ryanair & EasyJet.
MAG are well aware of the historical dependence but split 3 ways now at least.

LAX_LHR 11th Oct 2017 17:46

There's potential at both airports, and that's the point. It's not so easy to say 'STN will definately pass MAN', it's just too close to call either way, and it's not going to be the easy ride being made out.

MAG has the overall aspiration to make MAN a top 10 European airport. Hardly indicative of a leadership that envisages STN overtaking MAN any time soon....

daz211 11th Oct 2017 17:57

STN has yet to attract major longhaul airlines but it will happen in the next year or two MAN allegedly has a large number of longhaul airlines I feel very uncomfortable about the race to No3 I see MAN and STN more of sisters than rivals I would hate it to turn in to the childish LTN vs STN relationship

southside bobby 11th Oct 2017 19:02

I agree with you daz211...yes STN & MAN should be regarded as partners within the MAG business overall...apart from obvious synergies it also grants MAG the absolute right to claim they are the UK`s largest airport operator with the obvious weight attached.
However I couch my sentiments above partly as from Day 1 or even before I have never seen any recognition of the benefits of MAG acquiring STN from any MAN poster (several having been banned anyway with their boring political anti London views I am sorry to say).
I hope always to state facts or if not try to explain at least the reasoning.Putting that forward & it being "countered" is not in itself "childish"..
Airport league tables are important & depending perhaps how readers care to interpret the figures & anyhows are reputational with a certain amount of prestige & kudos if only to the very workers who produce all the effort.

daz211 11th Oct 2017 19:26

Southside bobby
Sorry if that came across as a dig at you but it wasn’t it was just a general statement I know the love hate relationship between MAN and STN but working between both airports I feel/hope things are getting better between what I would call supporters on a personal note I think STN has more scope for faster growth especially when STN gains more longhaul but as we have seen the loss of an airline can make the world of difference

LAX_LHR 11th Oct 2017 19:48

Obviously the synergy of the MAG group means that the company want both airports to do well, it all goes back into the same pot after all. A strong MAN helps make a strong STN, and vice versa.

As I've said, both airports should continue to do very well, my only comment came about because I firmly believe that it's not a dead cert that STN will, to quote, 'cruise' past MAN. Yes, STN may overtake MAN, any things possible, but I wouldn't be seasoning any hats just yet.....

nigel osborne 11th Oct 2017 19:56


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 9921599)
Interesting summation of Monarch's expected passenger loss at MAN on the Manchester thread. Despite the extra seats on sale from Jet2, Easyjet, TUI, Thomas Cook and others, we could see a brief period of negative growth for MAN. This may then mean that STN reclaims the #3 largest UK airport again. One to watch in the next few months/year maybe

Was wondering how much parking space for storing planes their is at STN, as looks like Birmingham is to be used to park 10 Ryan Airs from elsewhere for storage this winter ..not room for them at their main UK base of STN I assume ?

STN406 11th Oct 2017 20:32

It would depend on how busy the northside of the airport is. Usually you will see a number of Ryanair’s parked around the back behind the Fuel farm and sometimes parked infront of Inflites hangers. But I doubt it’ll be the latter as we seem to have a increaseing number of biz jets movements currently.

daz211 11th Oct 2017 20:52

I was wondering this same thing but about Titan and the companies expansion plans regarding more and larger aircraft

canberra97 11th Oct 2017 22:46

If you have a look on Google Earth you can see how BHX and STN compare with apron areas and it will give you a good idea of how much space is available at each airport.

FRatSTN 12th Oct 2017 16:18

New Airline
 
Air Corsica (XK) to start Stansted flights eff. 03 MAY 2018.

Ajaccio (AJA) - Initially 2x weekly, up to 4x weekly by July 2018
Bastia (BIA) - Initially 2x weekly, up to 4x weekly by July 2018
Figari (FSC) - Initially 1x weekly from 2nd June 2018, up to 2x weekly in September 2018

Sorry the source needs translating (unless you speak French) - http://www.tourhebdo.com/actualites/...en-europe.html

southside bobby 12th Oct 2017 17:33

More v good news...Three destinations not already covered & new for Stansted`s departure screens..
XK/CCM fleet appears to be 5xA320 + ATR`s.

whitelighter 12th Oct 2017 17:47

FR are parking 25 airframes at STN this winter.
More than they have ever parked before.

Bearing in mind they have to fly them every 5 days it's going to keep the tug crews busy

southside bobby 12th Oct 2017 17:59

To make it clearer perhaps to readers they will undoubtedly NOT be all from the STN fleet but from all bases as previous Winter`s when RYR have stored @ STN..As whitelighter states they are rotated in service & it is easier to achieve thus at the largest base.
Yes it will keep the tug drivers busy + the "rangers" providing escort together with ATC in continuous crossings of the R/W from Terminal to North side storage & VV.

southside bobby 12th Oct 2017 18:14

Coincidently relating to conservations with LAX LHR yesterday,there is a local article today about the new STN CEO in which it states STN`s annual pax total is on track to overtake MAN sometime during MAG`s next financial year.
The only caveat from myself is that statement is not in quotes as in other parts of the article.
I guess tho it would have been sanctioned before print.Late next year,early 2019 will be the telling time perhaps.
It also states MAG intend to invest £600m in Stansted.

AirportPlanner1 12th Oct 2017 18:24

Corsica
 
Until now the island has been really underserved from London and fares have been eye-watering. It must represent a tripling of capacity come September.

Fares seem to start at £103.40. Magically, EZY seem to be charging the same over at LGW. Funny how they wanted over £400 a fair way in advance when I looked at going there in a previous summer.

daz211 12th Oct 2017 18:54

Things are move very fast with new airlines and routes from STN I’m starting to lose track good to see some unserved destinations in the mix I’m still hoping for a few more before summer and hopefully Jet2 will add VCE and FCO in the future TSF and CIA just aren’t good enough anymore for STN in my opinion but guess we will have to see if the Alitalia thing happens

southside bobby 12th Oct 2017 19:29

Getting on...my reckoning makes it four new airlines for 2018 so far....Primera..Wow Air..
Air Mediterranean & Air Corsica for a total of seven direct destinations with it appears two already served.
Re AZA..Hopefully the MON collapse will not remix the plans re availability of slots @ LGW.

STN406 12th Oct 2017 21:03

Looking at Air Corsica’s website looks like we could have 3 different A320’s on Saturdays !!!!

southside bobby 12th Oct 2017 21:07

Good statement....

Alsacienne 12th Oct 2017 21:47

And how will the Air Berlin demise/Lufthansa purchase affect STN?

canberra97 12th Oct 2017 21:53

I can't honestly see much change at STN because of the Lufthansa takeover of Air Berlin as I don't think it will have too much of an affect on the Eurowings operations at the airport.

_aax1 13th Oct 2017 00:42


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 9923061)
Re AZA..Hopefully the MON collapse will not remix the plans re availability of slots @ LGW.

I think it's safe to say alitalia will not be coming to STN anymore and will opt for LGW if the ex-MON slots are the right price.

All gone very quiet anyways.

Still fantastic news that Air Corsica is coming with quite a sizeable operation!

pamann 13th Oct 2017 06:13

And these LGW slots will probably have a hefty price tag attached. Could AZ actually afford them? I see them going to an airline with bigger cash reserves to be honest. It could mean that there's even more chance AZ will have to set up shop at STN if indeed the rumours of their LHR slot sale are true.

canberra97 13th Oct 2017 15:13

I was under the impression that AZ had already sold their LHR slots and the airline was still using them under a lease agreement, but I think any possible move will be to LGW now slots have become available due to the collapse of Monarch.

As to slots, are the former Monarch slots owned as everyone seems to state especially at LGW, is there any monetary value to these slots or are they just put back into the pool and redistributed to other airlines?

Buster the Bear 13th Oct 2017 18:26

Greybull will be hoping for a monetary value!

pamann 13th Oct 2017 18:52

I have heard that the slots will go back in the pot, though if there's a monetary value to them I can't see AZ having deep pockets to buy them. I wouldn't right off AZ just yet but of course it's all speculation.


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