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PDXCWL45 7th May 2019 07:51

Flybe have started to put winter onsale .So far nothing for Cardiff.

PDXCWL45 7th May 2019 12:09

Apparently selected routes will go onsale at a later date due to ongoing negotiations between the airport and Flybe.

PDXCWL45 7th May 2019 20:12

Just over a year since Qatar Airways started flying to Cardiff!
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...rdiff-airport/

bycrewlgw 8th May 2019 09:31

No details of flights at mo and nothing being able to book but looks like BE are updating flights for Cardiff. Booking engine has preloaded dates into ‘20 which weren’t there before. Fingers crossed the core routes are saved.

PDXCWL45 8th May 2019 09:51


Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10466120)
No details of flights at mo and nothing being able to book but looks like BE are updating flights for Cardiff. Booking engine has preloaded dates into ‘20 which weren’t there before. Fingers crossed the core routes are saved.

Probably be lucky to retain a daily flight each on Dublin, Belfast and Edinburgh. Still means the loss of 400,000 passengers a year unless the airport can pull something out of the bag with another airline. The place will be empty in winter.
I also think it may question the WGs ownership as well as I doubt that they bought the airport to be a bucket and spade airport!

SWBKCB 8th May 2019 10:10


I also think it may question the WGs ownership as well as I doubt that they bought the airport to be a bucket and spade airport!
Good point - ignoring intangibles like national prestige, presumably the financial business case would have been around maintaining/increasing employment and increasing "global connectivity" to encourage economic development. It could be argued that a bucket and spade airport is just bleeding money out of the economy...

Sharklet_321 8th May 2019 11:14

Cardiff catchment area is a sizaeble one but challenging in terms of the numbers of people traveling for business. I would say their forte should be low cost and long-haul to attempt to draw more people in from further afield. Flybe doesn't fit that model and is not sustainable across most of the network not just CWL. If I were management at CWL I would be throwing all my weight behind low cost carriers.

southside bobby 8th May 2019 11:20

Would that be like Bmibaby?

Midland Alpha9 8th May 2019 13:01


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10466228)
Would that be like Bmibaby?

Baby left for two reasons
1/ the airport authority welcomed flybe with wonderful marketing open arms on routes which competed with baby thus diluting any hope of future profit.

2/ As a result of the aforementioned baby was wooed by other airports and offered a better deal.
Let's hope the current commercial management at the airport learns from experience and solidly backs a low cost carrier to fill the void. My personal choice is Sleazyjet but would be greatful to see any serious outfit.

PDXCWL45 8th May 2019 13:29

Ryanair has expanded at the airport this year so I'd imagine that they would look to them to continue to expand.

zoomboy 9th May 2019 21:18

This may not turn out to be relevant, but the just published Inghams 2020 brochure advertises Flybe flights to Milan on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun and Verona on Wed/Sat. We will see if confirmed.

PDXCWL45 10th May 2019 00:09


Originally Posted by zoomboy (Post 10467562)
This may not turn out to be relevant, but the just published Inghams 2020 brochure advertises Flybe flights to Milan on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun and Verona on Wed/Sat. We will see if confirmed.

Milan used to be on those days but now it's only Monday and Fridays. I'd be shocked if that happens but it's a case of wait and see.

SWBKCB 10th May 2019 05:11

Brochures tend to have long lead in times, may have missed the BE changes.

PDXCWL45 10th May 2019 08:50

The only way i could see Milan and Verona remaining is if another airline took them over. Maybe TUI for Verona or someone elsewhere suggested Volotea for Verona and Venice. Maybe Air Italy for Milan? Ryanair for Rome maybe? But i doubt very much any of the Italian routes will be operated by Flybe.
What will be interesting is too see how and if the airport manage to salvage many of the lost routes especially the Italian ones.

fanrailuk 10th May 2019 09:08


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10467748)
Brochures tend to have long lead in times, may have missed the BE changes.

And often published with a “speculative” timetable

The aforementioned flights, however, are nowhere to be found on the Inghams website...

Reversethrustset 10th May 2019 09:59

There's no way the Milan will be flown at those frequencies during the winter schedule so I would hazard an educated guess that they are indeed out of date rather than new.

rog747 10th May 2019 10:10

For Verona TUI already have a SAT weekly op'd by a Neos 738 VRN-BRS-VRN for some years for Thomsons and Citalia Holidays, Inghams have now taken seats on it - they used to charter BMI for their own flight BRS-VRN.
(seems now there are 2 x BRS SAT Neos flights)

Re Inghams from CWL-VRN they took large allocations on Flybe or chartered their own whole plane series (same from SOU) but it seems for S19 CWL has now been dropped?

WEDS and SATS are the historic days for package holiday flights to Verona and the Lakes from most UK airports.

PDXCWL45 10th May 2019 13:46


Originally Posted by Reversethrustset (Post 10467982)
There's no way the Milan will be flown at those frequencies during the winter schedule so I would hazard an educated guess that they are indeed out of date rather than new.

It used to be. Milan used to be 5 weekly if I remember correctly but was reduced over time to make way for other routes.

Reversethrustset 10th May 2019 13:50

Yep it did, this stopped last winter.

PDXCWL45 10th May 2019 15:46

Cardiff Airport calls for APD to be devolved to the Welsh Government.
In his letter to Roger Lewis the First Minister Mark Drakeford said ''It cannot be fair that Wales is remains the only devolved nation in the UK that does not have some control over APD''.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...o-be-devolved/
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/uplo...RL%20FEB19.pdf


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