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Reversethrustset 25th Dec 2018 15:04
Does it matter? Surely you don't lay awake at night worrying about it? Anything that happens at parliament level is way, way out of your or my control so what's the point in concerning yourself with it? All governments spend my cash on more nonsensical projects than subsidising routes so if they didn't spend it on trying to help an economy they'll spend it on some dead head who can't be arsed to get a job.

bycrewlgw 25th Dec 2018 17:28
Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10344297)
That's hardly a paltry sum, and be assured that it was probably a deal maker / breaker. But that's neither here nor there, if QR are giving the route 2 years to start turning a profit then that's fine. It does however stick in the throat that as the UK isn't properly federalised, what the Welsh and Scottish governments can do, no region of England can and that isn't a level playing fields in anyone's book.
so no English airport has ever paid for marketing and ancillaries? I very much doubt that is true. As reverse has stated if it wasn’t spend there it would be wasted else where. Not gonna keep me awake and yes I’m welsh btw

PDXCWL45 25th Dec 2018 20:15
In other news Thomas Cook are upgrading Cardiff to an A321 for Summer 2019. Believed to be operated by Smartlynx.

MerchantVenturer 25th Dec 2018 21:39
Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10344360)
so no English airport has ever paid for marketing and ancillaries? I very much doubt that is true.
The Welsh Government's wholly owned airport company did not provide the one million pounds marketing support. It came directly from the Welsh Government and will not appear in their airport company's balance sheet.

Privately-owned airports undoubtedly do spend money on marketing and route support but that is a commercial decision, will impact on the airport company's profit/loss and will be shown in the company's balance sheet.

That's the situation the UK government has provided - a quasi federal system with significant autonomy for three of the four constituent countries - and if the WG takes advantage of this who can blame them?

ATNotts 26th Dec 2018 07:32
Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer (Post 10344447)
The Welsh Government's wholly owned airport company did not provide the one million pounds marketing support. It came directly from the Welsh Government and will not appear in their airport company's balance sheet.

Privately-owned airports undoubtedly do spend money on marketing and route support but that is a commercial decision, will impact on the airport company's profit/loss and will be shown in the company's balance sheet.

That's the situation the UK government has provided - a quasi federal system with significant autonomy for three of the four constituent countries - and if the WG takes advantage of this who can blame them?
That is exactly the point; the advantages the Wales, Scotland and N.I have are not available to England. I wouldn't blame the Welsh government for using this advantage, but it doesn't alter the facts that England effectively has no autonomy, and as a result the money and subsidy largely get sucked into London, where it is needed least.

That's a political point, and this forum isn't there to discuss politics.

Asturias56 26th Dec 2018 09:33
That is exactly correct - in a Federal System local politicians take the decisions and reap the consequences - the one size fits all model no longer applies.

See the USA for how it works................... bit of a shock to English sensibilities I grant you...............

Rutan16 26th Dec 2018 14:16
ATNots and northern Spannish region - English regional electorates were given the opportunity to have regional assemblies . The first referendum held in the North East (pretty much the same electorate that turned over fourty years of cooperation with our European neighbours and resultant economic successes) shat on expanding democracatic accountability and control of local budgets by rejecting the offer of an assembly.
All other porposals other than city mayors have ended up in the bin !
England in particular doesn’t seem ready for MORE and closer democratic accountability and responsibilities any time soon .
A shame, though the right wing media would say it would be more public money wasted on beaurocrats I am sure.
So blame lack of regional UK accountability where it’s due and it’s not Westminster in reality.

ATNotts 27th Dec 2018 08:52
Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10344800)
ATNots and northern Spannish region - English regional electorates were given the opportunity to have regional assemblies . The first referendum held in the North East (pretty much the same electorate that turned over fourty years of cooperation with our European neighbours and resultant economic successes) shat on expanding democracatic accountability and control of local budgets by rejecting the offer of an assembly.
All other porposals other than city mayors have ended up in the bin !
England in particular doesn’t seem ready for MORE and closer democratic accountability and responsibilities any time soon .
A shame, though the right wing media would say it would be more public money wasted on beaurocrats I am sure.
So blame lack of regional UK accountability where it’s due and it’s not Westminster in reality.
A fair analysis. I suppose that if we (the English) were given a choice to vote on a proper federal system (akin to the German model perhaps) where viably sized regional governments had real powers and the consequences and opportunities were properly explained (fat chance of that I imagine!) then people may go for the idea, but I fear that people view local government as the perceived lack of power that councils actually have, which is why so few people vote in local elections, and rather than vote on what their elected representatives are, or aren't doing, they vote according to the performance of the UK government in Westminster.

We are in many ways a rather immature democracy.

inOban 27th Dec 2018 09:02
It's not real power that devolved administrations need. It's real money.

SWBKCB 27th Dec 2018 11:42
English regional electorates were given the opportunity to have regional assemblies . The first referendum held in the North East shat on expanding democracatic accountability and control of local budgets by rejecting the offer of an assembly.
Hmm - a regional assembly with little power and responsibilty? Why would that be seen as just a talking shop? :rolleyes:

Even the powers of the devolved administrations/National Governments is inconsistent, to put it mildly.

Anyway, back to CWL. I think the objection in this case is that the access to government funding which isn't available elsewhere.

Welshtraveller 3rd Jan 2019 17:40
Why are Flybe's flights being diverted to St Athan instead of Cardiff?

Five flights were diverted today and five flights were diverted yesterday.

All of the other flights arrived as normal.

Why?

Thanks all. Happy New Year.

Fly757X 3rd Jan 2019 18:17
Originally Posted by Welshtraveller (Post 10350855)
Why are Flybe's flights being diverted to St Athan instead of Cardiff?

Five flights were diverted today and five flights were diverted yesterday.

All of the other flights arrived as normal.

Why?

Thanks all. Happy New Year.
That can be explained due to the Limitations of MLAT and FR24 Calculations. They did get to CWL.

Welshtraveller 3rd Jan 2019 18:35
Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10350897)
That can be explained due to the Limitations of MLAT and FR24 Calculations. They did get to CWL.
Sorry I don’t understand what you mean. I have just googled MLAT and FR24.

Are you saying that the flights arrived in Cardiff not St Athan?

Thanks.

PDXCWL45 3rd Jan 2019 20:42
Originally Posted by Welshtraveller (Post 10350908)


Sorry I don’t understand what you mean. I have just googled MLAT and FR24.

Are you saying that the flights arrived in Cardiff not St Athan?

Thanks.

For some reason, i think it's the transponder they use, with Flybe Fr24 loses track of them below 3000 feet i believe and then says they've landed at the nearest airport which when I think it's runway 12 in operation at Cardiff is St Athan and sometimes it'll even say Swansea but the flights have landed at Cardiff.

Welshtraveller 4th Jan 2019 16:23
PDXCWL45 - Thank you. :)

bycrewlgw 4th Jan 2019 18:53
TCX basing an A321 at CWL for summer ‘19. 29,000 extra seats across the network.

PDXCWL45 4th Jan 2019 20:28
Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10351963)
TCX basing an A321 at CWL for summer ‘19. 29,000 extra seats across the network.
Yep very good news for the airport. Shows TCX have confidence in Cardiff. Starting earlier and basing a bigger aircraft!

PDXCWL45 9th Jan 2019 09:37
Ryanair argues for devolving air tax to Wales and hints at new flights for Cardiff.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/ryanair-argues-devolving-air-tax-15647986?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=socia&lutm_campa ign=wales_main

PDXCWL45 11th Jan 2019 15:09
With the Flybe takeover by the Virgin lead consortium what do people think the future holds for the Flybe operation at CWL? Or is it a case of just wait and see?

bycrewlgw 11th Jan 2019 16:08
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10358026)
With the Flybe takeover by the Virgin lead consortium what do people think the future holds for the Flybe operation at CWL? Or is it a case of just wait and see?
going to be a case of wait and see. Only those involved will know where they want to take the business. Bottom line is how profitable the routes are and whether they fit in with the new business strategy. They must have some sort of plan though. They could easily have set up their own from Manchester and few routes from lhr if they had only wanted a regional connecting airline so regional flying may link in with their strategy especially with KL/AF too.


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