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OltonPete 30th Jan 2019 18:38

Madrid
 

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 10375714)
Shame about Iberia Express as it was reported the loads were pretty good to MAD.

Depends on the person doing the reporting as the CAA show mixed loads.

June 2018...…..1075 pax…..108 per flight...…..60%
July 2018...……2340 pax…..130 per flight-------72%
Aug 2018...…...2655 pax…...148 per flight...….82%
Sep 2018...…...1049 pax…...105 per flight...….58%

Even if making money they probably think more can be made elsewhere in June July and September.

Pete

PDXCWL45 11th Feb 2019 08:54

Members of the Welsh Affairs committee will visit Cardiff Airport to hear the case for devolving Air Passenger Duty.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-47176479

Letsflycwl 11th Feb 2019 16:37

And about time too !!! Wales should have the same powers as Scotland & Northern Ireland here.

Centre cities 11th Feb 2019 16:43


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 10387010)
And about time too !!! Wales should have the same powers as Scotland & Northern Ireland here.

But so should the English regions. A level playing field for all please.

Regards

Centre cities

CabinCrewe 11th Feb 2019 17:57

Having the powers means nothing... #SNP 🙄

PDXCWL45 11th Feb 2019 19:03


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10387072)
Having the powers means nothing... #SNP 🙄

The Welsh political situation is different as the majority of the Sennedd support devolution of APD. The main opposition seems to come from welsh MPs in Westminster who seem more concerned about England than any benefits for Wales. If the committee does propose it being devolved there is no guarentee that the UK government actually will devolve it.

SWBKCB 11th Feb 2019 20:56


The Welsh political situation is different as the majority of the Sennedd support devolution of APD.
How would any reduction in APD be funded?

bycrewlgw 11th Feb 2019 21:05


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10387127)
The Welsh political situation is different as the majority of the Sennedd support devolution of APD. The main opposition seems to come from welsh MPs in Westminster who seem more concerned about England than any benefits for Wales. If the committee does propose it being devolved there is no guarentee that the UK government actually will devolve it.

As far as I’m aware it still has to be paid to the coffers so the welsh assembly would have to fund it. Not sure where the money is going to come from. It needs to be scraped uk wide or an alternative found. It’s certainly not being used for what it was designed for I’m sure.

i wonder how many airlines would actually reduce pricing or keep it the same to boost their profits?

PDXCWL45 12th Feb 2019 04:46


Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10387220)


As far as I’m aware it still has to be paid to the coffers so the welsh assembly would have to fund it. Not sure where the money is going to come from. It needs to be scraped uk wide or an alternative found. It’s certainly not being used for what it was designed for I’m sure.

i wonder how many airlines would actually reduce pricing or keep it the same to boost their profits?

From what I've read APD from Wales is a small amount especially when compared to the whole Welsh budget so essentially it's just an investment into the area and country as a whole.
As for the airlines I doubt they would drop prices but it would make routes more sustainable and give Cardiff a better chance of attracting more marginal routes especially when up against other airports in countries without this sort of tax.
There are better ways to tax the aviation industry than APD especially if it's purpose is supposed to be environmental.

SWBKCB 12th Feb 2019 06:03

Bit of a scattergun approach if it's about sustainability and attracting marginal routes.

Mind you, cheaper holidays for those in the CWL catchment area should appeal to those voters. Wonder what the rest of Wales will think?

PDXCWL45 12th Feb 2019 07:17


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10387442)
Bit of a scattergun approach if it's about sustainability and attracting marginal routes.

Mind you, cheaper holidays for those in the CWL catchment area should appeal to those voters. Wonder what the rest of Wales will think?

For the Welsh government it's not about cheaper holidays as CWL is having no problem regrowing that side. It's about being able to attract routes that'll bring in more inbound tourism amid fierce competition from other airports around Europe and equality with Scotland and Northern Ireland in the devolution settlement.

ATNotts 12th Feb 2019 07:37


There are better ways to tax the aviation industry than APD especially if it's purpose is supposed to be environmental.
Better, on the face of it, to charge airlines the tax, based upon the capacity and efficiency of the aircraft operated. And, importantly ensure that executive aircraft are included in the scope of the tax. Also pure freight flights. I can see a downside, that airlines might be less inclined to take risks on launching new, possibly marginal service from the regions, but environmentally it's a winner.

PDXCWL45 12th Feb 2019 08:02


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10387492)
Better, on the face of it, to charge airlines the tax, based upon the capacity and efficiency of the aircraft operated. And, importantly ensure that executive aircraft are included in the scope of the tax. Also pure freight flights. I can see a downside, that airlines might be less inclined to take risks on launching new, possibly marginal service from the regions, but environmentally it's a winner.

Or a jet fuel tax?

bycrewlgw 12th Feb 2019 09:25

I may be wrong but isn’t there an ICAO rule that you can’t tax aviation or something? It maybe that you can’t add VAT or tax jet fuel. I’m sure I read that’s why it’s called a duty rather than tax.

inOban 12th Feb 2019 09:44

I believe so. Essentially international traffic, by air or sea, is subsidised because almost all countries tax fuel used within their borders.

PDXCWL45 18th Feb 2019 08:43

Eastern Airways have been awarded the Anglesey service for the next 4 years.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1097423617200132096

crackling jet 18th Feb 2019 13:54

Is that the route where you obtain an a/c, park it at Cardiff day and night and the revenue just rolls in ?, Sweet

PDXCWL45 18th Feb 2019 14:08


Originally Posted by crackling jet (Post 10393663)
Is that the route where you obtain an a/c, park it at Cardiff day and night and the revenue just rolls in ?, Sweet

No it's the route that provides vital connections between the north of Wales and the capital for ordinary people and businesses. Bit like the highland and islands routes in Scotland.

SWBKCB 18th Feb 2019 14:36

Will the J41's be around for 4 years?

PDXCWL45 19th Feb 2019 06:55


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10393713)
Will the J41's be around for 4 years?

If not then I'd imagine that they would have to use another aircraft.


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