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The apparent £1 Million per year, out of the Welsh budget is hardly a lot if it is promoting Wales on the world stage. The money made from the new tourists flying directly to Wales will surely make it extremely worthwhile. Why the hostility? Wales has a global connection, a scheduled, year round, long haul route. Some folk need to suck it up. QR are in it for the long term. They will at least be there until the other side of Qatar 2022. The route will mop up the over spill from English routes during that world cup. If Wales qualify then even better news. By that time the route will be established and holding its own.
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EDI has always been hit and miss with loads sometimes down to low 60s loads at the outset and has still blundered on with QR chucking everything at it (special specific discount offers, varying frequency, and more recently A350 advertising) so CWL might be no different. Its a good product and with OW opportunities so no reason it cant be built on. The EDI 'fanboys' are no better in this respect. |
If anyone is interested this is a link to a PDF brochure of the airports Masterplan
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/uplo...20brochure.pdf |
So far this is what Flybe have released in Phase 1 of their summer 2019 compared to 2018
Dublin 15 weekly 2018, 14 weekly for 2019 -1 weekly flight there is a slot for a 15th flight on Fridays Edniburgh 13 weekly 2018, 17 weekly for 2019 +4 weekly flights Belfast City 11 weekly 2018, 11 weekly for 2019 no change Paris CDG 10 weekly 2018, 10 weekly for 2019 no change Faro 5 weekly 2018, 4 weekly for 2019 -1 weekly flight plus the aircraft type changes from all E195 to all E175 Glasgow 4 weekly 2018, 5 weekly for 2019 +1 weekly flight Jersey 4 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 -2 weekly flights Cork 2 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 no change Milan 3 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 -1 weekly flight Munich 2 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 no change Rome FCO 2 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 no change Venice 2 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 no change Verona 2 weekly 2018, 2 weekly for 2019 no change but will only operate 1 weekly in April Berlin 2 weekly 2018, not onsale for 2019 though there is room for it Dusseldorf 1 weekly 2018, not onsale 2019 though there is room for it Geneva 1 weekly just for April in 2019 Chambery 1 weekly just for April 2019 For 2018 there is a total of 78 weekly flights onsale, for 2019 so far we have 75 weekly flights onsale after the phase 1 release with aircraft changing from 1 E195 and 2 E175s to 3 E175s. |
KLM will go down to 2 daily flights Monday to Saturday and 1 flight on a Sunday between 3rd September and 26th October with no evening flight. I believe it's due to runway works at Schipol?
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CAA stats for June 2018
181,292 people used the airport in June down 2% the rolling year was 1,507,827 up 6.7% Air transport movements were 1707 down 5.4%. The - will be down to the Champions league final. And the Doha route saw 4491 passengers use it in June. |
based on the number of flights in June, what would be the estimated load factor for CWL-DOH? |
They had 52 flights in June so the average was 86
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Good to note the significant increase with passenger figures since for this second month of operation and with it just being start of the main summer season these are hopefully bound to increase further. |
Also 158 tonnes of freight went through the airport as well.
Another thing to note is Amsterdam grew 6% to over 12,000 passengers in June. |
Originally Posted by flyerboy
(Post 10210147)
They had 52 flights in June so the average was 86
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Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10210197)
There were only 4 days where the route didn't operate in June? Is that right?
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10210123)
And the Doha route saw 4491 passengers use it in June.
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Disappointing' foreign tourist visits despite £5m campaign.
"According to Mr Calder Wales is standing still as a holiday destination compared to London and Scotland despite a £5 million campaign with visitor spending dropping by 17%. Mr Calder said the lack of flights from major countries meant Wales was regarded as "an add on" to a trip to England rather than a destination in its own right". To be fair to him he's probably right as Wales doesn't have the geographical position or the same sort of profile that Scotland has nor does it have the major airlines like Ryanair and Easyjet flying into it and thus promoting it as a destination. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45060541 |
Mr Calder master of statements of the obvious ! However rather misses the fact that a significant number of overseas visitors drive and drag their home behind them especially from the low countries and quite few fly also in via Manchester. The Chinese especially then go to Chester and day trip the coast and mountains then on to York and Edinburgh and off home . Wales major castles are primarily in the North West whilst the far south west is exceptionally picturesque it’s difficult enough to get to for much of our own domestic market ! |
Originally Posted by bycrewlgw
(Post 10210560)
no bad considering second month of operation. BHX has 7186 so deffo moving in right direction Interesting to see if they can get sustained month on month increases. A colleague flew on a half full QR A350 (albeit from EDI) and said it was a great product for a one stop from Melbourne. |
Originally Posted by Rutan16
(Post 10215102)
Mr Calder master of statements of the obvious ! However rather misses the fact that a significant number of overseas visitors drive and drag their home behind them especially from the low countries and quite few fly also in via Manchester. The Chinese especially then go to Chester and day trip the coast and mountains then on to York and Edinburgh and off home . Wales major castles are primarily in the North West whilst the far south west is exceptionally picturesque it’s difficult enough to get to for much of our own domestic market ! Castle wise Wales is covered with them, big and little as a result of the Norman conquest. As for South West Wales it's not that bad to get to, a 2 hour drive from Cardiff and there are plenty of regular train services. |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10215168)
And if you cant get bums on seats in summer, when can you... Interesting to see if they can get sustained month on month increases. A colleague flew on a half full QR A350 (albeit from EDI) and said it was a great product for a one stop from Melbourne. |
Do we know the comparitive load factors specifically for QR on their UK routes for June now including the CWL service? |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10216654)
Do we know the comparitive load factors specifically for QR on their UK routes for June now including the CWL service? Edinburgh 74% Manchester 64% Cardiff 34% That's of seats sold for the month of June. |
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