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supermarine 5th Jul 2018 11:33
Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10189095)
Such as???
Lack of government support :O

PDXCWL45 5th Jul 2018 15:32
Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10189095)
Such as???
Cardiff is a capital city for a start which i believe is important because Qatar may well want to be the only ME3 airline that flies to all the capitals of the UK eventually.
Cardiff has a lot of events which gives it, for it's size, a high profile. Also Cardiff being a smaller airport means Qatar have much more of a say when it comes to fees in the future than they would at Bristol and for Qatar having a government to work with will no doubt be a positive, Bristol doesn't have a South West regional government to work with to attract routes like this. Another factor as well could be the BAMC base as it means that engineers qualified on the 787 from a partner airline are onsite if the aircraft went tech.

Centre cities 5th Jul 2018 16:27
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10189383)
Cardiff is a capital city for a start which i believe is important because Qatar may well want to be the only ME3 airline that flies to all the capitals of the UK eventually.
Cardiff has a lot of events which gives it, for it's size, a high profile. Also Cardiff being a smaller airport means Qatar have much more of a say when it comes to fees in the future than they would at Bristol and for Qatar having a government to work with will no doubt be a positive, Bristol doesn't have a South West regional government to work with to attract routes like this. Another factor as well could be the BAMC base as it means that engineers qualified on the 787 from a partner airline are onsite if the aircraft went tech.
So is it being intimated that the route exists because the normal financial route operating pentameters do not apply to Qatar.

There must be some financial implication otherwise the route would still be daily as originally advertised.

Centre cities

PDXCWL45 5th Jul 2018 16:38
Originally Posted by Centre cities (Post 10189435)
So is it being intimated that the route exists because the normal financial route operating pentameters do not apply to Qatar.

There must be some financial implication otherwise the route would still be daily as originally advertised.

Centre cities
The route is daily until November then it goes to 5 weekly then in April and May 2019 it goes 6 weekly.

edi_local 5th Jul 2018 20:59
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10189383)
Cardiff is a capital city for a start which i believe is important because Qatar may well want to be the only ME3 airline that flies to all the capitals of the UK eventually.
Cardiff has a lot of events which gives it, for it's size, a high profile. Also Cardiff being a smaller airport means Qatar have much more of a say when it comes to fees in the future than they would at Bristol and for Qatar having a government to work with will no doubt be a positive, Bristol doesn't have a South West regional government to work with to attract routes like this. Another factor as well could be the BAMC base as it means that engineers qualified on the 787 from a partner airline are onsite if the aircraft went tech.

You'd think so, but BA do not actually provide the maintenance for QR at CWL, It's done by, I believe, Storm Aviation.

I'm sure if worse came to worse BA would offer assistance or parts, but they are not the default option.

PDXCWL45 6th Jul 2018 08:51
TUI are now offering packages to the Far East from Cardiff and this what they are offering.
Bali 1 weekly on Sundays until October 2018.
Thailand has 3 offerings.
Khao Lak 2 weekly Sunday and Tuesday until April 2019.
Krabi 2 weekly Sunday and Tuesday until April 2019.
Phuket 2 weeky Sunday and Tuesday until April 2019.
Sri Lanka 4 weekly Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday until October 2018.
Maldives 1 weekly Sunday until October 2018 though with there isn't anything onsale.
Curiously the flights are down as British Airways flights operated by Qatar Airways.

LGS6753 6th Jul 2018 19:19
Curiously the flights are down as British Airways flights operated by Qatar Airways.
Code share?

PDXCWL45 6th Jul 2018 19:33
Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10190410)
Code share?
By the looks of it yes.

bycrewlgw 12th Jul 2018 15:16
Masterplan
 
Anyone heard when the Master plan is going to be released? Was due to be finalised in the spring so hoping it’ll be published soon.

PDXCWL45 12th Jul 2018 15:41
Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10195153)
Anyone heard when the Master plan is going to be released? Was due to be finalised in the spring so hoping it’ll be published soon.
There is an ACC meeting on the 17th July so maybe they'll look to release it after that.

EastMids 12th Jul 2018 16:40
Originally Posted by bycrewlgw (Post 10195153)
Anyone heard when the Master plan is going to be released? Was due to be finalised in the spring so hoping it’ll be published soon.
There is a press / media briefing on the new masterplan scheduled for next week - 18th if I remember correctly.

bycrewlgw 12th Jul 2018 17:07
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10195180)
There is an ACC meeting on the 17th July so maybe they'll look to release it after that.
cool cheers bud

bycrewlgw 12th Jul 2018 17:08
Originally Posted by EastMids (Post 10195220)


There is a press / media briefing on the new masterplan scheduled for next week - 18th if I remember correctly.
cheers bud :-)

Mr A Tis 17th Jul 2018 12:16
Qatar appears not over the moon about passenger numbers from Cardiff

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8450646.html

PDXCWL45 17th Jul 2018 12:29
Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10198786)
Qatar appears not over the moon about passenger numbers from Cardiff

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8450646.html
Good advertisement for the route in a national newspaper! Especially that the prices are cheaper than other airports!

LAX_LHR 17th Jul 2018 16:18
So, an Airline CEO comes out publicly and says a route is underperforming, and the article points out that fares are as much as half it’s UK counterparts which will in turn be affecting yield, all while the route is still being subsidised (so when it does have to stand on it s own 2 feet it will struggle more). And that’s a good thing?! Seriously?

Ill admit that I do often wear my rose tinted spectacles , but this is a whole new level.

Welshtraveller 17th Jul 2018 16:28
Vueling to Barcelona
 
Why was Vueling's flight to Barcelona cancelled this afternoon? Looks like the incoming flight arrived with no problems.

Thanks.

PDXCWL45 17th Jul 2018 16:44
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10198953)
So, an Airline CEO comes out publicly and says a route is underperforming, and the article points out that fares are as much as half it’s UK counterparts which will in turn be affecting yield, all while the route is still being subsidised (so when it does have to stand on it s own 2 feet it will struggle more). And that’s a good thing?! Seriously?

Ill admit that I do often wear my rose tinted spectacles , but this is a whole new level.
He said it's not performing to expectations he didn't say it was under performing and that the cargo side was performing well. It depends what those expectations are and so what if fares are cheaper than at other UK airports? It's the yield that counts. Is the route being subsidised? The Welsh government has a marketing deal with Qatar Airways yes but no one knows what the deal entails so people are just asuming they are subsidising the route because the reality is people especially on this forum don't seem to be supportive of this route because i get the feeling in their view an airport like Cardiff shouldn't have a route like this. It's early days for the route and only time will tell how it gets on and if Cardiff loses the route then i'm sure plenty of people on here will be quite happy about it.

PDXCWL45 17th Jul 2018 16:47
Originally Posted by Welshtraveller (Post 10198959)
Why was Vueling's flight to Barcelona cancelled this afternoon? Looks like the incoming flight arrived with no problems.

Thanks.
It wasn't cancelled according to FR24. It departed at 14.00.

LAX_LHR 17th Jul 2018 17:11
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10198966)
He said it's not performing to expectations he didn't say it was under performing
erm, is it not the same thing? not performing to expectations = under performing from the expectations set. Your arguing a technicality.

It depends what those expectations are and so what if fares are cheaper than at other UK airports? It's the yield that counts.
yes, it is yield that counts, and do you honestly think said yield wouldn’t be stellar if fares are up to 50% cheaper than other U.K. regionals?

Is the route being subsidised? The Welsh government has a marketing deal with Qatar Airways yes but no one knows what the deal entails so people are just asuming they are subsidising the route
come on, it’s being subsidised. It’s a government entity (Wales) and a government entity (Qatar) in partnership. It’s being subsidised. No routes to a lot of EU capitals, no flights to long haul hotspots like Orlando and the Caribbean’s, but there is a route to Doha. What do you thinks happening?

because the reality is people especially on this forum don't seem to be supportive of this route because i get the feeling in their view an airport like Cardiff shouldn't have a route like this.
where have I, or anyone, said this. I’m merely questioning how an article with a quote from an airline CEO saying the route isn’t meeting expectations is seen a source nothing but a good thing?

It's early days for the route and only time will tell how it gets on and if Cardiff loses the route then i'm sure plenty of people on here will be quite happy about it.
Yes that’s exactly the crux of what people are talking about, they all want to know when they can go and buy their party hats. Let’s not argue the points, let’s just put words in people’s mouths instead.


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