HH6702, TCX already have regular flights from Manchester, Stansted and Glasgow to Las Vegas
SWBKCB, Orlando and Cancun are 1.5 weekly. Alternating fortnightly flights to each alongside the existing weekly flights. The Dash could do Newcastle, but I think if it were to happen it would be a half arsed attempt for both sides. How is 3.5 hours on a Dash 8, across the Atlantic, supposed to be remotely competitive? Re: EZY vs TOM vs FI MAX... - TUI would operate 2 flights a week, seasonally, mainly sold as packages at an affordable price. Aimed 100% at the UK leisure market. Well known brand, reputable, reliable - easyJet would probably operate 2/3 flights per week, varying seasonally, at low prices. They would cater to tourists both from the UK and Iceland. They may also sell some seats for package operators and cater to whatever small business market there is. Again, very well known in the UK and if people can bag flights for 50 quid, they'll probably consider it - Icelandair... In order to be at all competitive would require an absolute minimum of 3/4 flights a week. In the 70-100 seat segment this may be sustainable, but on 160+ seat aircraft, charging high fares, this is unlikely to be sustainable. Icelandair would seem to make the most sense because they would cater to both inbound and outbound tourism, TATL connecting traffic, stopovers, business (very limited) and they also offer packages, but you're looking at paying £250-500 per person for return flights to Reykjavik... We know from United that this kind of sh*t doesn't go down well in geordieland I can't see a fortnightly package holiday flight making that much of a dint in Emirates' performance from Newcastle. If anything it might help create some slack, emptying seats in the peak months for more lucrative passengers to fill! Emirates loses hundreds of thousands of passengers to competitors both at NCL and nearby airports anyway |
TUI 787 Dreamliner G-TUIC operating a final IBZ-NCL of the season Tonight.
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New route announcements are very sparse for 2018. Is anything expected from Ryanair or EasyJet....or even the long awaited extention of the Stavanger route to Bergen?
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I certainly wont be holding my breath, if I'm honest
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Originally Posted by Jamesair
(Post 9939960)
New route announcements are very sparse for 2018. Is anything expected from Ryanair or EasyJet....or even the long awaited extention of the Stavanger route to Bergen?
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Upon this very long argued vision of Thailand.
I'm from Newcastle and flew their via Dubai 3x within the last 5 years. On every one of those flights coming back, there was another person from the North East of England. It would, however, make more sense that tour operators looked into places such as Phuket and Koh Samui. I think Hua Hin would be viable but after Phuket and Koh Samui are set up. Chiang Mai and Pattaya are high in tourist numbers but I don't think would be viable for tourism. Especially as Chiang Mai airport's airport is small and Pattaya isn't close to an airport itself. |
DUS
LGW (that’s the guys that used to operate the Q400s for Air Berlin) will be operating the DUS on certain days with the dash for the next month at least.
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"On every one of those flights coming back, there was another person from the North East of England. "
I think they're going to need more than 2 pax a flight to make it work........ no, but seriosuly, use of longer range small airbus and the 787/A350 for longer flights should open up a lot of city pairs not currently served - it may eventually happen the question is how many long-haul holidays can the NE generate a year? |
Probably not enough to sustain the volumes need to make routes like these work. I'd love to be proved wrong though...
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Access to Koh Samui is also, I believe, very tightly controlled by Bangkok Airways. Also it's really only suitable for regional ops certainly not for long haul.
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The numbers going to/via Dubai have been pretty stable for years at around 230,000 pax a year
In 2007 the airport had around 5.7 mm pax - cp 4.8 mm last year - so you could argue that there is easily another 900,000 pax out there - but a new long haul airliner would have to take over 25% of that extra demand to make it work I guess - that's a big ask |
I wonder if there is a breakdown somewhere of the 5.7m pax in 2007. It will be interesting to see routes and pax numbers at that time.
I would suggest potential is much higher than another 900,000 quoted, as the region has since grown in population. We have endured a recession over recent years, which has hit growth, but it was estimated at the time of the Masterplan, the Airport would reach 8m pax by 2025. |
2007 CAA stats
Airport Total pax HEATHROW 495,366 AMSTERDAM 334,254 PALMA 298,604 STANSTED 297,882 ALICANTE 254,099 MALAGA 253,360 BRISTOL 246,808 PARIS CDG 234,370 DUBLIN 227,066 BELFAST INTER 224,565 TENERIFE 187,771 FARO 139,811 GATWICK 109,649 DALAMAN 95,255 BARCELONA 95,196 PRAGUE 90,244 MURCIA 87,623 LAS PALMAS 72,117 PAPHOS 72,058 ROME (CIAMPINO) 71,847 KRAKOW 67,316 IBIZA 66,531 ARRECIFE 61,880 CORFU 60,718 GERONA 57,800 EXETER 56,150 SHARM EL SHEIKH 54,900 BODRUM (MILAS) 50,632 NICE 49,867 FUERTEVENTURA 48,531 MAHON 47,575 LARNACA 44,246 DUBAI 44,139 HERAKLION 42,649 GENEVA 41,743 RHODES 40,404 CORK 38,968 BRUSSELS 38,958 BERGAMO 38,580 ZAKINTHOS 38,064 BELFAST CITY 37,208 HANOVER 32,470 REUS 31,494 MONASTIR 30,995 MALTA 26,039 BURGAS 25,437 ANTALYA 24,834 BIRMINGHAM 24,169 ABERDEEN 21,826 DUSSELDORF 20,760 BERGEN 20,486 KOS 19,293 COPENHAGEN 18,891 SANFORD 18,621 PISA 18,308 PUERTO PLATA 16,704 CARDIFF WALES 16,110 SALZBURG 14,123 FUNCHAL 14,105 VERONA 13,244 STAVANGER 13,086 VALENCIA 12,089 NAPLES 11,525 SANDEFJORD(TORP) 10,311 SALONIKA 9,982 ALMERIA 9,529 THIRA (SANTORINI) 7,905 LUXOR 7,695 TORONTO 7,558 CHAMBERY 6,900 ISLE OF MAN 6,876 SKIATHOS 6,661 GALWAY 6,650 KEFALLINIA 5,965 HAMILTON (CANADA) 5,941 INNSBRUCK 5,674 IZMIR 5,568 JERSEY 4,537 PLOVDIV 4,375 TURIN 3,179 LIMOGES 3,000 VARNA 2,898 VENICE 2,193 ROVANIEMI 2,015 GRENOBLE 913 KITTILA 878 TARBES-LOURDES 731 LONDON CITY 685 ALGHERO/SASSARI 668 ENONTEKIO 470 KEFLAVIK 321 OSTEND 293 SPLIT 267 MANCHESTER 185 BLACKPOOL 177 HAMBURG 136 LUTON 131 BRIDGETOWN 123 COLOGNE (BONN) 101 ATHENS 92 GENOA 87 AALBORG 79 BASLE MULHOUSE 72 BILLUND 64 LINZ 60 FARNBOROUGH 41 AUGSBURG 39 LILLE 39 GRAZ 36 INVERNESS 36 MADRID 33 MOLDE 24 TOTAL 5,491,606 |
Well that's probably not too unusual given the fixed number of seats on offer & the high LF's !;)
Bit of a vicious circle, airport facilities incapable of A380, so would be a big jump to 773's 2x daily. Conjecture only, but it's probably a no brainer that an A380 would have been on the cards IF NCL had the facilities to handle it ? I am presuming that runway restrictions rule this out?, and as such nothing is going to change.... |
I would thought EK will add a few evening flights first on busy days before going 2x daily
Maybe 10/11 flights per week to start off with |
A material chunk of the difference between 2007 and 2016 is the lack of the flight to Stansted, which is perhaps a sobering reminder of just how dicey life is for a regional airport in the UK.
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Interesting to see how markets have developed over the last 10 years... Some of it's surprising how much we've lost in terms of passenger numbers, routes and charters... For example:
Destination, 2007 - 2016 -Heathrow, 495,366 - 499,479 (stable, but there must have been HUGE leak onto the trains considering LGW/STN were dropped!) -Amsterdam, 334,254 - 363,690 (peaked more when EZY were on the route) -Palma, 298,604 - 257,176 (might come back up to near 300 thousand next year with FR on the route) -Stansted, 297,882 - Dropped -Bristol, 246,808 - 164,595 (*Best not mention this one, it can get heated!) -Paris, 234,370 - 148,784 (I believe CDG will have been EZY on their 737's and Brit Air CRJ 700's at the time) -Dublin, 227,066 - 232,538 (huge growth recently, there must have been a considerable drop on NCL-DUB around the turn of the decade) -Belfast, 224,565 - 250,418 (One of the more stable routes, probably the same 30,000 people that used to go to Belfast City) - Gatwick, 109,649 - Dropped - Prague, 90,244 - 26,194 - Murcia, 87,623 - 19,355 - Krakow, 67,316 - 27,196 - Rome, 71,847 - 17,744 (all 4 of these have gone from multiple weekly frequencies on EZY's 737 700's to x2 weekly on Jet2's 737 300's - Both of which have 148 seats if you're interested - EZY must have already dropped Budapest, Copenhagen and Berlin by 2007, I assume? ) - Brussels, 38,958 - 19,431 (SN RJ100 to BM E135 I believe?) - Dusseldorf, 20,760 - 41,630 (Surprising result! Wasn't DUS twice daily at some point with the CRJ?) - Orlando, 18,621 - 17,453 (Back when we had a MON A330 and TOM 767 every week - interesting that there are no figures for Cancun, 2007... Was it not operated that year?) - Stavanger, 13,086 - 6,587 (WF, Dash 8 - BM, ERJ135) - Copenhagen, 18,891 - 22,371 (Cimber Air, CRJ 200 - SAS, CRJ 900 - Dropped 10/17) - Bergamo, 38,580 - Dropped (almost 40k and nobody's taken a second look since FR swapped us out for Manchester) - Belfast City, 37,208 - Dropped (Back again on the Jetstreams) - Hanover, 32,470 - Dropped (2007 was about the time of the transfer from HLX to TUI on the Hanover route wasn't it? After HLX's other routes to Cologne, Hamburg and Munich went under - If I remember correctly) - Bergen, 20,486 - Dropped - Birmingham, 24,169 - Dropped - Puerto Plata, 16,704 - Dropped (I never knew Puerto Plata was operated from NCL, I thought it was just Punta Cana. I assume this was a TOM 767?) - Valencia, 12,089 - Dropped (I never knew we had a route to VLC either! Who operated it?) - Torp, 10,331 - Dropped (Just add to the list of Oslo airports we no longer have service to!) - Thessaloniki, 9,982 - Dropped (hope it pays up for LS and TOM next year) - Luxor, 7,695 - Dropped ( another route I never knew we had! XL I assume? They were adventurous) - Toronto, 7558 - Dropped - Izmir, 5,568 - Dropped (We had this too?? XL?) - Plovdiv, 4,375 - Dropped (another one! Was this XL or Balkan?) - Varna, 2,898 - Dropped (I knew this was somewhere down the line, but not the operator... XL/BH?) - Venice, 2,193 (These were charters I assume, too early for Jet2... But a considerable amount of passengers) - London City, 685 - Dropped ( The first 2 months of Eastern's ill fated LCY service, IIRC. Wrong airline, wrong aircraft, wrong business model...) - Alghero, 668 (again, must have been charters, but somewhere I never knew we had service too - Sardinia is a bugger to try and get to!) - Hamilton, 5,941 - Dropped (were these troop charters? Seems like an awful lot of passengers! Another odd one that I didn't know about/can't understand why it ever happened! It wasn't one of those oddball Flyglobespan routes was it? I know they did a few routes to Hamilton but I never thought from Newcastle...) It's good to see that routes like Almeria, Thessaloniki and Santorini have come back online, or will be. Were Thessaloniki and Santorini XL routes? I think a x4 weekly evening flight from Emirates, about 8-10 months of the year, is the best we can hope for in the immediate future. Maybe one day we'll be a Cat F airport... |
Originally Posted by NCL-TRC
(Post 9944156)
LGW (that’s the guys that used to operate the Q400s for Air Berlin) will be operating the DUS on certain days with the dash for the next month at least.
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Wow very interesting information there EK777WNCL
surprised by a few there and a shame others have picked up the route. Maybe just shows about yields vs pax numbers |
Valencia was Jet2
Hamilton was Globespan Izmir was Thomas Cook Luxor was Thomson |
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