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N707ZS 28th Sep 2018 07:28

No need to expand when there is spare capacity in the region.. hat coat shut door.....

sixchannel 28th Sep 2018 07:50


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10260462)

Wonder how many stick to their principles and NEVER fly anywhere - or is it only other people's flights that are harmful?

JonnyH 28th Sep 2018 12:11


Originally Posted by milhouse999 (Post 10256810)
TUI have added a Thursday NCL - CFU from next summer according to their schedule, leaving at 0600hrs. This brings the Corfu route up to 4 days a week with various airlines. Good news for us as we use the route 6 times a year. Anyone know what it's replaced?

They have a Thursday flight on this years schedule so can only assume it’s a slot adjustment.

LiamNCL 28th Sep 2018 17:06

TCX 2019
 
Thomas Cook sent a memo to cabin crew that the A320 has been dropped for 2019 and is down to 2x A321

it stated that the group had to reduce ACMI partners from 23 to 15 and that analysis showed NCL to be the least profitable in the UK.

Room for Jet2 to add another 738 ?

GrahamK 28th Sep 2018 19:52


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10260989)
Thomas Cook sent a memo to cabin crew that the A320 has been dropped for 2019 and is down to 2x A321

it stated that the group had to reduce ACMI partners from 23 to 15 and that analysis showed NCL to be the least profitable in the UK.

Room for Jet2 to add another 738 ?

I assume not. Could be some big decline in pax numbers at this rate.

LiamNCL 28th Sep 2018 20:02


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 10261123)
I assume not. Could be some big decline in pax numbers at this rate.

Poor from Thomas Cook the flights were loaded for 2019 with a Thursday TFS added. Seems like they have shook things up since their profit warnings and ultimatley ACMI aircraft have cut back with NCL suffering the only UK Casualty.

jensdad 28th Sep 2018 20:05


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10260528)
No need to expand when there is spare capacity in the region.. hat coat shut door.....

No need at all to get your coat or shut any doors, N707. You're right.

SWBKCB 28th Sep 2018 20:51


Originally Posted by jensdad (Post 10261137)
No need at all to get your coat or shut any doors, N707. You're right.

Not really - the Greens are against the increase in flights, they will pollute wherever they fly from.

OltonPete 28th Sep 2018 21:28

Thomas Cook
 

Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10261130)
Poor from Thomas Cook the flights were loaded for 2019 with a Thursday TFS added. Seems like they have shook things up since their profit warnings and ultimatley ACMI aircraft have cut back with NCL suffering the only UK Casualty.

Not strictly true if you look at my post on the BHX thread. BHX lost 7 weekly flights (including two destinations) yesterday from the 2019 schedule and although this only equates to half a based unit (6 were away based and one night based flight) it is still a significant loss but granted not as bad as Newcastle. I have not checked across the fleet about other loses and it is difficult at times to tell as I don't know the full schedules coupled with the fact that some threads don't post bad news due to excessive use of rose tinted glasses.

Pete

LiamNCL 28th Sep 2018 22:40


Originally Posted by OltonPete (Post 10261191)
Not strictly true if you look at my post on the BHX thread. BHX lost 7 weekly flights (including two destinations) yesterday from the 2019 schedule and although this only equates to half a based unit (6 were away based and one night based flight) it is still a significant loss but granted not as bad as Newcastle. I have not checked across the fleet about other loses and it is difficult at times to tell as I don't know the full schedules coupled with the fact that some threads don't post bad news due to excessive use of rose tinted glasses.

Pete

Didnt realise BHX had lost a good handful aswell although we lost a based A320 , 3 out of 7 days this summer one of our based aircraft did a W pattern which isnt the case next summer at least.

sixchannel 29th Sep 2018 07:08


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 10261123)
I assume not. Could be some big decline in pax numbers at this rate.

To quote my 'locally produced' wife - "Tell'em that because of oor grand Summa, we're aal gannin' back to wor Whitley Bee an' the Spanna Wullie."
You can take the girl out of Northumberland but -. - -.

L66MBD 29th Sep 2018 19:21


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10260989)
Thomas Cook sent a memo to cabin crew that the A320 has been dropped for 2019 and is down to 2x A321

it stated that the group had to reduce ACMI partners from 23 to 15 and that analysis showed NCL to be the least profitable in the UK.

Room for Jet2 to add another 738 ?

Flew ACE-NCL mid-july on an A321 and counted 18 spare seats (that I could see). Sunday lunchtime flight so no dodgy flight times. Can't be good for mid-summer so perhaps a sign of sensible adjustments for next year.

Also, was under the impression that the ACMI partners were a cost saving measure over operating own metal. Anyone correct this?

cheers

LiamNCL 29th Sep 2018 21:42


Originally Posted by L66MBD (Post 10261833)
Flew ACE-NCL mid-july on an A321 and counted 18 spare seats (that I could see). Sunday lunchtime flight so no dodgy flight times. Can't be good for mid-summer so perhaps a sign of sensible adjustments for next year.

Also, was under the impression that the ACMI partners were a cost saving measure over operating own metal. Anyone correct this?

cheers

The NCL A320 made profit just not as much as other bases & the group decided to cut their partners down for 2019 imagine a big cut in Germany.

L66MBD 30th Sep 2018 00:21

How do you know this? # just asking

LiamNCL 30th Sep 2018 06:22


Originally Posted by L66MBD (Post 10261982)
How do you know this? # just asking

how do i know what ? that its dropped ? I was shown a email from commercial support sent to NCL cabin crew. Routes like MAH REU BJV BOJ EFL no longer on the system either. The insist they are fully committed to Newcastle with two based A321 & 400,000 seats on sale for summer 2019.

JonnyH 30th Sep 2018 07:26

Anyone know why Flybe/Eastern seem to have had 1-2 flights cancelled per day over the last 2/3 weeks? Cardiff especially seems to be cancelled quite frequently.

JonnyH 30th Sep 2018 07:27


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10260989)
Thomas Cook sent a memo to cabin crew that the A320 has been dropped for 2019 and is down to 2x A321

it stated that the group had to reduce ACMI partners from 23 to 15 and that analysis showed NCL to be the least profitable in the UK.

Room for Jet2 to add another 738 ?

Quite surprising. Will we be getting anything on a W pattern, perhaps?

DanAir89 30th Sep 2018 13:03

Thomas cook haven’t had a good week announcing 2018 profits much less than expected and share price Nearly at an all time low.


So the positives for NCL are that we can’t have solely contributed to the group’s poor performance AND at least the operation here was profitable (albeit other bases were more profitable).

The empty seats this summer ties in with their trading update - hot summer and world
Cup so people staying at home or booking late. I was surprised at the number of empty seats on a BY 757 to RHO in 2000 mid summer but that flight continues to operate today.

However, IIRC in 2001 when JMC and First Choice “colluded” to shut the Ncl AIr 2000 base and just share the JMC 757, Thomson responded by basing a 767 and increased this in 2003 to a 763.

So, perhaps TUI or Jet2 will respond by increasing capacity.

reports have suggested that the 7/14 night holiday has died over recent years and flexible durations were the way to go. If TC aren't able to do this anymore from NCL with only 2 aircraft may get more difficult for them.

But, I’m not sure if the massive debt that A former MD loaded the airport with is still there but it would be interesting to know if this affects the airports ability to offer incentives to operators.

HH6702 30th Sep 2018 16:49


They will have to now edit the programme
lets hope routes aren't dropped just cut frequencies

SWBKCB 30th Sep 2018 17:01


Originally Posted by HH6702 (Post 10262396)
lets hope routes aren't dropped just cut frequencies

Why? Higher frequencies on fewer routes gived the customer more flexibility on the duration of their stay which might be more profitable


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