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SKOJB 30th Jun 2020 19:55

No domestic EZY routes so my best guess would be CDG and AMS plus seasonal GVA and JER staying on with RYR servicing the sun spots!

asdf1234 30th Jun 2020 22:02


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10825614)
The question is was Southend told by Easyjet that they were off or did Easyjet and Stobart hold negotiations and could not agree a new deal?

I bet the shareholders will be asking a different question along the lines of, "When exactly did you know Easyjet were off? Before or after we put in another £100m of our cash to keep the company afloat?"

tws123 2nd Jul 2020 17:43

I see that Ryanair's base at SEN now seems under threat too - https://www.balpa.org/Media-Centre/P...ary-pay-cuts-t

LTNman 2nd Jul 2020 19:25

So what would be left with no Ryanair or Easyjet?

aurigny72 2nd Jul 2020 20:36

According to a Ryanair SEN based pilot they are not pulling out. Lets hope he is right.

LTNman 2nd Jul 2020 20:50

I would imagine it will be down to how much money Stobart is prepared to pay Ryanair to stay as they hold all the cards.

LTNman 3rd Jul 2020 04:48

Southend Airport’s website is still showing no flights operating on their arrivals and departures web page. Is that really the case or has Stobart gone to sleep?

https://www.airport-technology.com/n...er-operations/


London Southend Airport in the UK has reopened its terminal to passengers after it was closed for three months due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

tophat27dt 3rd Jul 2020 05:03


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10827784)
Southend Airport’s website is still showing no flights operating on their arrivals and departures web page. Is that really the case or has Stobart gone to sleep?

https://www.airport-technology.com/n...er-operations/

LSA informed me by email that whilst the current daily flights were rather haphazard with many cancelations, they would not keep that list up to date on their website.
Answer. Yes. Laziness.

pabely 3rd Jul 2020 07:05

Perhaps with the Lake District reporting a surge in bookings, now is a good time to relaunch the Carlisle route?

Fly757X 3rd Jul 2020 07:16

Derry~Londonderry with Loganair has been moved back to Stansted for the remainder of S20 and also W20/21.

AirportPlanner1 3rd Jul 2020 07:20

Gets worse by the day. The place will have no flights some days in winter the way things are going.

davidjohnson6 3rd Jul 2020 07:24

At most companies, when a major customer leaves, the staff, the directors and senior staff start to panic (junior staff are often not paid enough to care). Presumably that is happening now at SEN, but the PANIC! message just hasn't been communicated out yet officially...

SWBKCB 3rd Jul 2020 08:02


Perhaps with the Lake District reporting a surge in bookings, now is a good time to relaunch the Carlisle route?
Carlisle would need to re-open first. Notam'd closed until 20 August and no indication it will be opening any time soon.

LTNman 4th Jul 2020 09:01

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/18560967.easyjet-quits-southend-next-

Looking at next May Easyjet are still showing Southend based aircraft, which I assume will eventually disappear.

Reading the comments the majority are delighted but I would think they are the ones who suffered.

pabely 10th Jul 2020 18:50

Some worrying stats taken from the Gatwick thread https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...l#post10833900
where is Southend, below 6 pax, cargo & biz movements?

chesna152 10th Jul 2020 19:08


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10834056)
Some worrying stats taken from the Gatwick thread https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...l#post10833900
where is Southend, below 6 pax, cargo & biz movements?

Im guessing Southend’s statistics have been omitted as there were 8 ASL freight movements in addition to a number of RYR flights

pabely 10th Jul 2020 19:21

Some better news https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/185...s-new-flights/

SWBKCB 10th Jul 2020 19:48

So the new routes are those announced last year for this summer but not started - see #3643


The Evening Echo (God bless 'em) carries the Ryanair story now listing six new routes:
  • Bergerac;
  • Bucharest;
  • Girona;
  • Marseille;
  • Venice Treviso; and
  • Vilnius, in Lithuania.
The Echo quotes Ryanair’s Alejandra Ruiz: “Since the start of our operations in London Southend in April, we have carried more than 650,000 customers, and based on this success to date we are delighted to extend our services at Southend with six new routes for summer 2020. Our London Southend summer 2020 schedule features 16 routes in total, which will deliver 850,000 customers per year."

aurigny72 10th Jul 2020 20:05


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10834097)
So the new routes are those announced last year for this summer but not started - see #3643

Just for the record Budapest and Vilnius have already started with Ryanair.

LTNman 11th Jul 2020 04:53

You can be sure Ryanair will be paying nothing to Stobart and that Stobart will be relying on ancillary income to cover its costs. It could be a good fit for Ryanair as it will keep Stansted looking over their shoulder and grieving at lost passengers that they will see as rightfully theirs.

rowly6339 12th Jul 2020 11:27

According to Stobart those flights that have been flying from the airport have largely been full.

LTNman 12th Jul 2020 16:16

So much for social distancing then. One metre plus!

AirportPlanner1 12th Jul 2020 19:50


Originally Posted by rowly6339 (Post 10835245)
According to Stobart those flights that have been flying from the airport have largely been full.

Fares when I had a look for interest last week and a few images in the media would seem to confirm this, although there have been very few flights - about 2-4 per day - and they are to quite mainstream destinations

DC3 Dave 15th Jul 2020 10:07

Stobart have sold Stobart Rail for £1000. I guess what they are doing is try and slow down of group losses in order to keep hold of the airport possibly until some sort of knight in shining armour comes along to save them.

Talking of knights, Andrew Tinkler says he would have paid 5 million for Stobart Rail, and again called for the removal of Warwick Brady.

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/185...thend-airport/

Startledgrapefruit 15th Jul 2020 10:28


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10837696)
Stobart have sold Stobart Rail for £1000. I guess what they are doing is try and slow down of group losses in order to keep hold of the airport possibly /

£1000 I have seen train sets down the church hall that cost more than that.

SKOJB 15th Jul 2020 14:01

Wizz starting new med routes from LTN, is this partly in response to EZY pulling its base at SEN perhaps?

pamann 15th Jul 2020 14:05


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 10837891)
Wizz starting new med routes from LTN, is this partly in response to EZY pulling its base at SEN perhaps?

I would say it’s more about them going head to head with EZY at Luton on some of those routes. Can’t see how it has any connection to Southend if I’m honest.

SKOJB 15th Jul 2020 14:22


Originally Posted by pamann (Post 10837894)
I would say it’s more about them going head to head with EZY at Luton on some of those routes. Can’t see how it has any connection to Southend if I’m honest.

Just thought they might be tapping in to lost capacity at SEN to go head to head with EZY at LTN!

LTNman 15th Jul 2020 15:46

Not a good time for Stobart to focus on Southend when aviation has been decimated. Southend will now have to compete head on with other London Airports with plenty of spare capacity and better transport links who will be doing their own deals. To compete means offering ever lower fees or not charging fees at all, which will mean even lower wages and zero hour contracts.

Mirror that for STN, GAT, and LTN and it is a race to the bottom with the airlines holding all the aces.

The96er 15th Jul 2020 15:58


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10837965)

Mirror that for STN, GAT, and LTN and it is a race to the bottom with the airlines holding all the aces.

I’m not sure the airlines any longer hold all of the aces. I’m led to believe that the suppliers/handling agents are no longer prepared to ‘slit their own throats’ to gain market share. Hopefully for those in the industry, they’ll hold firm on that. We shall see.

LTNman 15th Jul 2020 19:24

Southend does its own handing. Stobart has already said it has to reduce costs so people will be made redundant and then no doubt taken back on again, as the airport picks up, on new inferior contracts.

davidjohnson6 15th Jul 2020 19:27

If I worked at SEN and was laid off.... based on Easyjet closing their base, I would not be waiting around expecting to be rehired within 6 months

chesna152 16th Jul 2020 12:09

So what can be made of the fact that Ezy have put a near full schedule on sale from Southend for next summer:

A) They are a company in cash generation mode and are just trying to acquire cash even if they know they will be almost certainly cancelling the flights?

B) They plan on offering a larger range of destinations through non based flying than most of us would have originally thought (the timings of many flights make this unlikely)?

C) A possible U turn over base closure (hopefully so but probably the most unlikely)?

D) Something else?

davidjohnson6 16th Jul 2020 12:17

E) The person who is meant to update the schedules is out of the office and hasn't read their emails telling them to do so yet ?

DC3 Dave 16th Jul 2020 12:22

Can anyone confirm that there’s an Ural Airlines A320 at the airport with a scheduled 1515 departure to St Petersburg?

FRatSTN 16th Jul 2020 12:25

F) They continue to sell tickets as normal since they're still consulting with unions about the base closure and will reaccomodate bookings, or offer a refund, when the inevitable is officially confirmed.

Seems the most logical explanation to me.

chesna152 16th Jul 2020 12:50


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10838705)
Can anyone confirm that there’s an Ural Airlines A320 at the airport with a scheduled 1515 departure to St Petersburg?

Yes there is, operating a change of personnel for a ship at a nearby port

DC3 Dave 16th Jul 2020 12:55


Originally Posted by chesna152 (Post 10838737)
Yes there is, operating a change of personnel for a ship at a nearby port

Thank you, comrade chesna152.

AirportPlanner1 16th Jul 2020 13:07

EZY are allegedly operating a full pre-Covid schedule from early September. Fares are temptingly good...now, are they really going from 0 weekly to 13 weekly to AMS for example? My hunch is the cash generation option cited for why the 2021 schedule is on sale isn’t far off the mark. I’d be surprised if all the Sep flights take to the skies and that’s far more immediate.

As an aside my STN-AMS has been retimed and the schedule appears to all be operated from the AMS base whereas from what I can tell SEN-AMS is being operated from SEN.

Planespeaking 16th Jul 2020 13:27


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10837965)
Not a good time for Stobart to focus on Southend when aviation has been decimated. Southend will now have to compete head on with other London Airports with plenty of spare capacity and better transport links who will be doing their own deals. To compete means offering ever lower fees or not charging fees at all, which will mean even lower wages and zero hour contracts.

Mirror that for STN, GAT, and LTN and it is a race to the bottom with the airlines holding all the aces.

'Better transport links.' I concede that the road links from London to Southend need improvement even though it is dual carriageway, however the train services and ease of access from SEN's own dedicated station to and from the terminal within 100 paces is hard to beat.


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