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tophat27dt 26th Sep 2018 18:02
Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10258801)
Just because WIZZ are going to run A service out of STN don't mean they are not still looking to use SEN
How much longer will Wizz be keeping their A320s? The A321 cannot operate with full loads from SEN.

stewyb 26th Sep 2018 20:34
Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10259165)
How much longer will Wizz be keeping their A320s? The A321 cannot operate with full loads from SEN.
Wizz have an order bank of 70 odd 320neo so i would say for some time!

Expressflight 27th Sep 2018 06:51
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10258936)
But it was always going to be a "cheap as chips" route.
I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?

DC3 Dave 27th Sep 2018 06:53
As suggested, Murcia flights transfer to Corvera at the end of March.

tophat27dt 27th Sep 2018 07:37
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10258936)
Yield, yes understood. But it was always going to be a "cheap as chips" route.
Why would any service to Scotland be cheap as chips? I think the fares were set up the same as most UK domestic flights with discounts for early bookers.

tophat27dt 27th Sep 2018 07:38
Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 10259290)


Wizz have an order bank of 70 odd 320neo so i would say for some time!
Thats good news. So there is still a possibility then.

AirportPlanner1 27th Sep 2018 08:13
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10258859)
Never mind Wizz. They're not going operate SEN-GLA when it ends in a month. Nearly 7,000 pax used the route in August. That's 500 more than GRQ (which in itself was a record month).

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The problem with GLA is that 7000 still only represents a load of 50% at the time of year you would expect it to be strongest, and it’s been fairly static. GRQ was more like 64%, at a time of year you would expect demand to be a bit weaker and with much higher base fares.

DC3 Dave 27th Sep 2018 08:39
Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10259583)
I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?
I just wonder what expectations Stobart had with regard to yield when they announced SEN-GLA? At that time fares from STN were APD plus next to nothing. So how were fares ever going to rise much beyond those offered at the start? What was so special about the route that growth would not be choked off by the requirement to improve the yield? Or was that secondary to the need to get numbers through the terminal and take revenue there?

I guess it's just frustrating to see a route that during August was number 8 out of 32 for pax being axed. Perhaps the improving numbers came too late, or perhaps they realised that yield would never reach where it needed to be.

Perhaps it's best to see Stobart's plans for 2019 before being critical.

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AirportPlanner1 27th Sep 2018 09:14
Fares were only really APD+nothing during the week from STN if you booked in advance. If you tried booking the week or two beforehand or for Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon am they were considerably more. Stobart offered some ridiculously low fares and still couldn’t fill it. I got one for £9.27 or something similar.

For me the timings weren’t quite right which didn’t help. Last winter on Mondays it was actually the first flight northbound out of London, but that benefit was outdone by there being no return that evening and only mid-morning the next day which was useless for business. While it is now double daily, the evening one arrives in SEN quite late which puts me off when I can get back to STN much earlier and the morning southbound arrives too late to be of much use for Scottish business travellers.

DC3 Dave 28th Sep 2018 09:30

Just thought I'd post this short video. It shows an up to date look inside the terminal for anyone who hasn't flown from SEN recently.

tophat27dt 28th Sep 2018 11:29
I am a bit surprised that Stobart Air plan to stop flights to Milan. Were the loads not good enough, or just not enough gaps in the planned schedule for the one remaining E195?

_aax1 28th Sep 2018 11:40
Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10260736)
I am a bit surprised that Stobart Air plan to stop flights to Milan. Were the loads not good enough, or just not enough gaps in the planned schedule for the one remaining E195?
I think you have to be realistic. Ryanair are flying to Bergamo and Stobart cannot compete with them on a cost basis. I know they’re different airports but they are both marketed as Milan, the average cost cautious traveller will choose Ryanair.

Stobart have successfully shown route viability with easyJet and Ryanair PRG BUD DBV BGY REU VCE DUB to name a few, that was its sole purpose.

tophat27dt 28th Sep 2018 12:48
More delays today. Is one of the 195s broken again?

AirportPlanner1 28th Sep 2018 14:07
Looks like it, ATR to the rescue again.

tophat27dt 28th Sep 2018 18:40
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10260857)
Looks like it, ATR to the rescue again.
Seems EI-GGC is unserviceable and on the ground in Dublin since Thursday evening. An Eastern ATR72 has arrived but it's from and to Aberdeen so probably not connected with the delays and normally operates into LCY. Plus for some reason FlyBe operated their morning Edinburgh-LCY Dash8
into SEN earlier today.

compton3bravo 1st Oct 2018 15:20
Now that Luton and Stansted operations are back to normal so to speak (night jet movements etc) it will be interesting to see how many executive movements Southend will be able to hold on to.

asdf1234 1st Oct 2018 17:21
Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10263173)
Now that Luton and Stansted operations are back to normal so to speak (night jet movements etc) it will be interesting to see how many executive movements Southend will be able to hold on to.
Does anyone know how many movements the new FBO handled to date this year?

southside bobby 1st Oct 2018 17:36
Purely anecdotal but it appears a not insignificant percentage of execs were inflight & operational diversions due to "curfews" elsewhere so not really making SEN the centre of choice.

DC3 Dave 1st Oct 2018 17:53
Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10263319)
Purely anecdotal but it appears a not insignificant percentage of execs were inflight & operational diversions due to "curfews" elsewhere so not really making SEN the centre of choice.
I'm sure you're right, and most will "go home". But the last few months have been an opportunity for SEN to demonstrate what they have to offer, and that should have advanced the project beyond anything they could have done on their own.

Expressflight 1st Oct 2018 17:57
Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10263319)
Purely anecdotal but it appears a not insignificant percentage of execs were inflight & operational diversions due to "curfews" elsewhere so not really making SEN the centre of choice.
It's certainly true that the very large increase in bizjets using SEN this summer was almost entirely due to the "curfews" at LTN and to a lesser extent STN. Not many were re-routed/diverted in flight though but were PPR booked into SEN, so they chose SEN in advance given the situation elsewhere. Most are likely to return to their old habits of using LTN and STN at night I'm sure but it certainly raised SEN's profile worldwide which will hopefully yield some extra business going forward.


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