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boeing_eng 26th Aug 2019 08:32

Lee Baker Street...Your naive enthusiasm for the over expanding of the airport speaks volumes and I can only assume you are a plane spotter who cares little for the affect this would have on the local residents lives! I've actually worked at the airport for over 30 years and live in Wigmore so can see both sides of the argument. What the locals are now potentially faced with is the almost complete loss of a large community asset (Wigmore Park) and the local residential roads being turned into a primary feeder route for a huge new terminal. This would be unprecedented in the UK! All of this is being proposed by a Council who are being devious and untruthful with the local residents they are elected to represent.

The often used argument about additional jobs is as mentioned by LTNman is a red herring as the decent paid jobs are basically limited to Pilots, ATC staff, Engineers, Fire Fighters and some refueling staff (many don't live in the local area) Almost all the remainder are at best just over minimum wage jobs with a huge turnover....

LTNman 26th Aug 2019 10:41

The council claims the average employee at the airport earns £36,000 a year yet has produced no evidence to support this figure. Doing a job search shows that no current terminal or apron vacancies are close to £36,000

dvc 26th Aug 2019 12:29


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10554419)
The council claims the average employee at the airport earns £36,000 a year yet has produced no evidence to support this figure. Doing a job search shows that no current terminal or apron vacancies are close to £36,000

​​​​​​Ground or gate staff makes Anything between 19k and 23k a year depending on the role . Cleaning staff even less. Security still under 30k. I reckon the 36k average comes from hundreds of pilots based at Luton which technically makes them being employed at Luton Airport.

boeing_eng 26th Aug 2019 21:53

Ground or gate staff makes Anything between 19k and 23k a year depending on the role . Cleaning staff even less. Security still under 30k. I reckon the 36k average comes from hundreds of pilots based at Luton which technically makes them being employed at Luton Airport

I totally agree.....Its also worth bearing in mind that Pilots and Cabin Crew are mobile and can operate from anywhere. In the case of one airline, their LTN based staff operate a lot of flights from other UK airports (depending on the time of year) If you exclude the pilots, my estimate is that there is no more than 10-15% of airport workers earning over 30K a year!

IDR 27th Aug 2019 11:34

Don’t forget easyJet HQ is situated at the airport and all staff will be considered airport workers as far as the council is concerned

pabely 27th Aug 2019 17:06


Originally Posted by IDR (Post 10555256)
Don’t forget easyJet HQ is situated at the airport and all staff will be considered airport workers as far as the council is concerned

Easyjet do very little engineering work on site, other than unscheduled work. It is far cheaper to send their aircraft to Eastern Europe or Malta. I'm afraid labour cost is too high in UK, it's not a Luton issue more UK plc. Even Germany is finding itself uncompetitive now and they might be going into recestion. If you ask Lufthansa Tecnik to do work for you they will ask you to send your airplane to one of their centres outside germany.
The days of 9-5 in aviation have long gone I'm afraid. Engineering in the area have spiralled down with BAe gone, Renault Trucks and Vauxhall a shadow of itself, in fact with the french now in control that has got to be a doubt long term.

LGS6753 27th Aug 2019 18:02

Fly Bosnia on Monday (26AUG19) opened reservation for its planned Sarajevo – London Luton service, scheduled from 24SEP19. Based on the airline’s web booking system, the airline plans to operate this route 3 times a week with Airbus A319.

6W105 SJJ0715 – 0845LTN 319 267
6W106 LTN0945 – 1315SJJ 319 267

Courtesy AirlineRoute.

AirportPlanner1 27th Aug 2019 19:42

How long until Wizz add Sarajevo?

Falcon666 27th Aug 2019 20:57


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10555595)
How long until Wizz add Sarajevo?

They have already tried Tuzla and dropped it, maybe there just isn’t the demand to Bosnia Herzegovina.
Looking at the prices Flybosnia are charging it’s certainly not cheap.
Wizz didn’t jump onto the Chisinau route from SEN and take Flyone out , which they could have easily done with their new routes so maybe they haven’t read from the Ryanair book of route management recently.

LTNman 29th Aug 2019 10:35

Construction update
 
Parkway Interchange is having its temporary ground floor ceiling supports removed.
https://i.imgur.com/DxieR6R.jpg

While at the other end the viaduct pillars are receiving beams that will support the track
https://i.imgur.com/GgSe3lq.jpg

At central station the Dart carriage maintenance area is preparing to have more concrete poured
https://i.imgur.com/HJOHtoS.jpg

While part of the station has been dug out parts of it have yet to be started. The maintenance area can be seen in the background.
https://i.imgur.com/OvcRJO2.jpg

The second floor of the new multistory has opened but with lifts still not working people are being employed to carry luggage up this narrow fire escape which is the only route to the car park. The fire escape also looks half finished.
https://i.imgur.com/1orIlIa.jpg

Once passengers reach their cars they are confronted with this. With the car park only open for just over a week the site is very dusty. This car is actually black.
https://i.imgur.com/zgpsf12.jpg

Meanwhile concrete is being poured on the top two floors while cars can be seen parked on the lower floors.
https://i.imgur.com/l74VlW7.jpg

AirportPlanner1 29th Aug 2019 12:31


Originally Posted by Falcon666 (Post 10555644)


They have already tried Tuzla and dropped it, maybe there just isn’t the demand to Bosnia Herzegovina.
Looking at the prices Flybosnia are charging it’s certainly not cheap.
Wizz didn’t jump onto the Chisinau route from SEN and take Flyone out , which they could have easily done with their new routes so maybe they haven’t read from the Ryanair book of route management recently.

Sarajevo is much more widely known and if you’re going to head to Bosnia it’s likely there or Mostar. It’s like saying Zagreb didn’t work out so Split won’t. To be honest I don’t mean it as a spoiler, more natural expansion in the same way they eventually ended up competing with Tarom.

Also worth noting Flyone is peak seasonal so not the same incentive to take them out.

Lee Baker Street 29th Aug 2019 13:12

Interests in Land / Land Interest Questionnaire
 
LTNman LLAL are sending out letters to us folk in South Luton. Why do they need confirmation of our interests in any particular land? You are in the know so thought it best to ask you first as you may have received the same letter?

ajamieson 29th Aug 2019 13:19


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Sarajevo is much more widely known and if you’re going to head to Bosnia it’s likely there or Mostar

Indeed. Even Banja Luka — a hub for Bosnia's predominant travel method, the bus — makes more sense than Tuzla. But perhaps the airline is getting a better incentive. I hope FlyBosnia does well to SJJ.



LTNman 29th Aug 2019 15:22


Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street (Post 10557107)
LTNman LLAL are sending out letters to us folk in South Luton. Why do they need confirmation of our interests in any particular land? You are in the know so thought it best to ask you first as you may have received the same letter?

If I was your neighbours I would start getting worried then but it would be ironic if airport expansion directly affected you as it is all about complying with a Development Consent Order which is needed for airport expansion. Sounds like you and your neighbours have been identified as people who are going to suffer under the proposed expansion plans. Might be road traffic blight (unlikely) or more likely extra aircraft noise. Also LLAL have been buying up land in random area's for reasons that are not apparent. Maybe there is a piece of this land near you that is linked to airport expansion. This might seem far fetched in your case but they have bought land in Hertfordshire for a replacement park. This park would be covered by a DCO so Herts County Council could not stop it. Don't know anyone that has received a letter in my neck of the woods but then they might be sending letters out in batches to different areas first.

Read this.
https://www.llal.org.uk/Documents/LR-guidance-sheet.pdf

compton3bravo 29th Aug 2019 19:11

,The June and July passenger figures have now been published with July showing nearlyr 1.8 million. The rolling 12 month figure is just shy of 18 million. What was the yearly passenger ceiling allowed?

compton3bravo 29th Aug 2019 19:33

Over 6,600 pax carried on the Bergen route in its first month, don't know what the yield was of course. Looks like the Castellon service has displaced the Verona which is now not bookable. Prices on the Castellon route seem to be holding up well. Some flights to/from Tromso already sold out.

LTNman 29th Aug 2019 21:24


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10557337)
,The June and July passenger figures have now been published with July showing nearlyr 1.8 million. The rolling 12 month figure is just shy of 18 million. What was the yearly passenger ceiling allowed?

18 million. Might explain why Wizz are dipping a toe into Southend but then they might have done it anyway.

pabely 30th Aug 2019 10:14


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10557417)
18 million. Might explain why Wizz are dipping a toe into Southend but then they might have done it anyway.

They had previously reserved slots at Stansted for W19 so on the cards anyhow, would assume Southend made them a better offer!

pabely 31st Aug 2019 15:23

Wizzair
 
So with Verona and Ljubljana stopping the yields were poor I assume. Lets see how Castellon, Catania, Oslo, Saint Petersburg and Vienna hold up. I believe some capacity reductions at LGW as well, maybe just for winter but signs of it getting tougher!

BlueA330 31st Aug 2019 15:32

Passenger Statistics
 

Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10558674)
So with Verona and Ljubljana stopping the yields were poor I assume. Lets see how Castellon, Catania, Oslo, Saint Petersburg and Vienna hold up. I believe some capacity reductions at LGW as well, maybe just for winter but signs of it getting tougher!

Verona's figures are higher than Tromo and Ljubijana's didn't look too bad . Interesting that AMS has been going down from it's peak in OCT 18 .With AMS being the number 1 destination , you'd of thought KLM could give it a go


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