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Buster the Bear 21st Jul 2020 22:02

LU4 postcode is the hotspot.

LTNman 22nd Jul 2020 05:10

LU4 includes the towns hospital but maybe this is a bit more disturbing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020...rning-in-luton




In Luton, the weekly number of new cases reported has doubled in the past fortnight promoting the town's Director of Health to issue specific "stay at home" advice.
Cases are up and down like a yo-yo but with hotspots now developing in Spanish tourist areas and in some Eastern European countries I am not aware of any temperature checks for inbound passengers.


LTNman 22nd Jul 2020 05:34

The council has balanced its budget but doesn’t mention that the only part of council spending to rise is the £60m bailout for the airport.
https://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/luton...dget-1-6750039

Spanish eyes 22nd Jul 2020 06:50


Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman (Post 10842888)
here comes the casual racism again that pops up on this thread from time to time.

where is your proof that the hotspots in Luton are the Asian community ??
My wife is a nurse at the local hospital and they cannot see a clear pattern to the people who enter icu apart from mostly older and more likely to have lower immune systems for whatever reason, the five hotspot areas in Luton are not all linked to the areas where people from our Asian community traditionally live.

next you will be telling us that you are quite happy to get in a taxi with a white Anglo Saxon driver.
I realise this is a rumour network but don’t let the Lack of any facts get in the way of some casual racism.

The proof including the post codes of the streets which is centred around Bury Park. Nothing to do with racist comments but facts. You are correct I would rather travel in a taxi being driven by a white Anglo Saxon driver but there are none at the airport’s taxi rank which is why I would never use an airport taxi.

The taxi drivers are self employed so I wonder how many would actually stop work if tested positive when there were no airport taxis for 3 months.
https://i.imgur.com/E4by2JT.jpg

pabely 22nd Jul 2020 19:36

Just for clarity, the Luton areas are Kingsway, Warden Hill, Challney, Lewsey South and Bedford areas, Elstow, Shortstown & Wixams.
A big mix of demographics & ethnic groupings.

On a seperate note EZY shedules continue to expand over the coming weeks but nothing like needing the based 25 frames.

WZZ have 5 new routes starting to Spain & Greece in 2nd week of August

LTNman 22nd Jul 2020 20:00

Those areas affected, which seems to focus on parts of Luton, are not helped by those living in rented sheds at the bottom of gardens, which is common practice in parts of the town. Luton is a deprived town with low wages, part time and zero hour contracts, which is something the airport and the airlines encourage with contracts awarded to the lowest bidder.

More about a possable second lockdown for Luton below.

https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...s-town-2921139

Avgeek06 23rd Jul 2020 13:39

EZY JTR
 
easyJet launching JTR on 6Aug, a day before Wizz start flying! Finally easyJet seem to have grown a pair over the last few months!

Dannyboy39 23rd Jul 2020 17:16


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10843739)
Those areas affected, which seems to focus on parts of Luton, are not helped by those living in rented sheds at the bottom of gardens, which is common practice in parts of the town.

What a load of rubbish. I've seen no such thing and I lived in the town over 30 years...

LTNman 23rd Jul 2020 17:33


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 10844501)
What a load of rubbish. I've seen no such thing and I lived in the town over 30 years...

Clearly you need educating then as the practice is widespread in the town. The photo is a screenshot of a random deprived area of Luton with a report below. I would also suggest that you look at google maps satellite view so you can see how widespread the problem is around parts of Luton.


Luton Borough Council has launched a new scheme to crack down on rogue landlords that rent out poorly managed or dangerous properties.

The Rogue Landlord Project was created alongside the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, the Luton Law Centre and the Luton Citizens Advice Bureau.

The council insists that rogue landlords will not be tolerated and offenders will be caught.

The scheme particularly focuses on:
  • Houses in Multiple Occupation (HMOs)
  • Beds in sheds – substandard properties that are being used as homes without relevant permission.
Recently, 18 landlords have been prosecuted by Luton Council or served with prohibition orders, many resulting in large fines and criminal records. Beds in sheds and HMOs have been emptied and several investigations are ongoing.

Councillor Tom Shaw, Portfolio Holder for Housing at Luton Borough Council, says: “The Rogue Landlord Project is an integral part of ensuring that private housing in Luton is of a good standard. It is an important part of our enforcement policy and will help ensure that properties in Luton are safe and maintained to a good standard. If a HMO is poorly managed, tenants’ safety could be at risk.


https://i.imgur.com/H7FtA7X.jpg

pabely 23rd Jul 2020 17:54

Semi Lockdown https://Sky News: Coronavirus: Luton...pikes-12034861

pabely 24th Jul 2020 06:37

Back to the airport, the newly refurbished Aspire lounge at London Luton Airport is due to re-open on 4th August.

compton3bravo 24th Jul 2020 08:10

Could we please get back to matters regarding the airport ie routes, airlines etc and not have a discussion on who might be living in a garden shed at the bottom of a garden, that is for another place - The Daily Fail, Torygraph or the British Medical Journal. Thank you.

pabely 24th Jul 2020 12:31

Not shed news but an important archery for airport traffic https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/tr...roject-2922090

LTNman 24th Jul 2020 15:38

The road upgrade is part of the planning permission for 18m passengers. Only the first 200m is being completed as the council has no money to build the rest. To do the upgrade hundreds of mature trees would have to be cut down which has upset the locals.

pabely 26th Jul 2020 11:42


Originally Posted by Avgeek06 (Post 10844348)
easyJet launching JTR on 6Aug, a day before Wizz start flying! Finally easyJet seem to have grown a pair over the last few months!

Looking at the prices on this route there will be plenty if social distancing available on these flights!

LTNman 26th Jul 2020 14:34

Competition can mean a potential profit for one airline becomes a loss for two. It will be a brave soul booking a holiday now.

Yahoo!® 27th Jul 2020 08:05


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10844940)
Could we please get back to matters regarding the airport ie routes, airlines etc and not have a discussion on who might be living in a garden shed at the bottom of a garden, that is for another place - The Daily Fail, Torygraph or the British Medical Journal. Thank you.

He says making sly anti-right comments

compton3bravo 27th Jul 2020 12:46

You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment!

Buster the Bear 27th Jul 2020 17:08

Wizzair Russian route re-start second week of August (or is that routes?)

pabely 27th Jul 2020 19:11


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10847546)
Wizzair Russian route re-start second week of August (or is that routes?)

11th Moscow, St Petersburg 19th via booking engine but this says different https://simpleflying.com/wizz-air-russia-mid-august/

pabely 27th Jul 2020 20:40

Gulfstreams new facility at Farnborough offically opened today but the press release says they will keep their presence at Luton but will this include the hanger or will that go back to Signature?

LTNman 27th Jul 2020 22:53

They will keep a man in a van and that is it. The hangar will go back to Signature. The main issue is that the staff don’t want to relocate.

LTNman 27th Jul 2020 22:55

Social distancing Luton style captured in this video clip.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...akers-18672017

The96er 27th Jul 2020 23:39


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10847736)
Social distancing Luton style captured in this video clip.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...akers-18672017

So you’ve just come off a plane that you weren’t forced to go on in the first place in which you are sat just inches from other people and yet you complain about social distancing in the terminal ! - A non story.

pabely 27th Jul 2020 23:46


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 10847754)
So you’ve just come off a plane that you weren’t forced to go on in the first place in which you are sat just inches from other people and yet you complain about social distancing in the terminal ! - A non story.

Thank the Sun & Mirror for this non storey and all the local rags pick it up hours later.
I suppose other MAG airports are a shining beacon of how to do it!?

pabely 27th Jul 2020 23:49


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10847735)
They will keep a man in a van and that is it. The hangar will go back to Signature. The main issue is that the staff don’t want to relocate.

Or can't, because of house price differences between Beds & Hants

LTNman 28th Jul 2020 04:26


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10847756)
Thank the Sun & Mirror for this non storey and all the local rags pick it up hours later.
I suppose other MAG airports are a shining beacon of how to do it!?

It is not a non story. Airport management have made public statements that the airport is safe when it isn’t. The airport terminal in normal times can from memory handle around 4,500 passengers an hour. I have the exact figure somewhere but I can’t be bothered to dig it out. This figure hasn’t been reduced to reflect social distancing or safety and highlights the pitfalls and the risks passengers take when flying from being bussed out to stand to standing in long queues and then sitting in an aircraft with the engines off so the Hepa filters are doing nothing.

The issue is that despite a massive drop in passengers numbers flights still bunch up and arrive and depart at a similar time. The queue in this video gives the opportunity for the virus to spread. It is worth remembering this when people call it a non story.

SWBKCB 28th Jul 2020 05:36


I suppose other MAG airports are a shining beacon of how to do it!?
How have MAG got dragged into this?

Lee Baker Street 28th Jul 2020 05:47

18 to 26 feet
 

Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10847813)
It is not a non story. Airport management have made public statements that the airport is safe when it isn’t. The airport terminal in normal times can from memory handle around 4,500 passengers an hour. I have the exact figure somewhere but I can’t be bothered to dig it out. This figure hasn’t been reduced to reflect social distancing or safety and highlights the pitfalls and the risks passengers take when flying from being bussed out to stand to standing in long queues and then sitting in an aircraft with the engines off so the Hepa filters are doing nothing.

The issue is that despite a massive drop in passengers numbers flights still bunch up and arrive and depart at a similar time. The queue in this video gives the opportunity for the virus to spread. It is worth remembering this when people call it a non story.

Studies have found that a person coughing or sneezing or even simply talking can spread COVID-19 in the air up to a distance between 18 and 26 feet. In effect as long as individuals use face masks and wash their hands regularly they will greatly reduce the prospect of contracting the virus.

As a daily commuter on the trains I feel totally safe because I protect myself. I would feel safe in a terminal and safe in an aircraft.

The Press just love to dig at anything relating to Luton however the photos of the queue in the terminal do not cause me concern because it would be impracticable to keep our social distancing at 26 feet!



Spanish eyes 28th Jul 2020 10:24

The actions of Government, business and society will all influence whether there will be a second wave. Activities at Luton don't help nor do the actions of some members of the town council who attend parties in the most contagious part of the town.




avidspotter 28th Jul 2020 11:42

Total click bait. "Chaos" and "Mayhem" (as the headlines suggest) it is certainly not. A small queue by Border Force standards. In any case passengers have just spent two hours or more on the same plane together. Bigger queues at Asda.

pabely 29th Jul 2020 12:31

Signature
 
This implies more than just a man & van to be retained at Luton https://www.globalatlanta.com/gulfst...ervice-center/

boeing_eng 29th Jul 2020 18:13

It would certainly make sense for Gulfstream to keep some sort of facility at LTN to accommodate the AOG work etc that Farnborough won't be able to accept given its restricted operating hours......

LTNman 29th Jul 2020 18:39

I have a contact at Gulfstream. Around 6 weeks go they said they was taking redundancy. I was also told Gulfstream were leaving a man and a van on site and that they were vacating the hangar, which was going back to Signature. There was a major issue getting staff to move though. I have no idea whether plans have changed due to a lack of Farnborough engineers and that they will keep a bigger workforce at Luton until the problem is resolved.

Buster the Bear 29th Jul 2020 22:00

To complement the Farnborough site, Gulfstream’s FAST Field & Airborne Support Teams continue to maintain a presence at London Luton Airport for arrivals, departures and aircraft-on-ground (AOG) service.

esscee 30th Jul 2020 08:47

Regarding the Gulfstream move, it is so easy for management to make a decision and not think the whole matter through. Might seem like only 50 miles ish but not being aware of the very high house prices near Farnborough but also the time it can take to drive the M1/M25/M3 shows how the workforce are viewed these days. Manpower is just an inconvenient cost unit per hour in management eyes.

LTNman 30th Jul 2020 10:34


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10849105)
To complement the Farnborough site, Gulfstream’s FAST Field & Airborne Support Teams continue to maintain a presence at London Luton Airport for arrivals, departures and aircraft-on-ground (AOG) service.

As I said, a man in a van when you read this link

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/pr...port-team-fast

pabely 30th Jul 2020 13:02

Yes as that link shows the FAST team have been based at Luton for 9 years and will remain so. It was the guys who do the long term work in the hangar I was talking about. Very few are willing to move with the package offered by Gulfstream so might be retained for a while at Luton to keep existing contracts going. How this pans out long term we will see.

Buster the Bear 1st Aug 2020 21:31

With engineers being removed from payroll by the airlines, if Gulfstream are will to pay the retraining required, I doubt if they will have problems recruiting, especially as the drive from some somewhere like Heathrow is not too bad. I'd wager that there are many that already live along the M3/M4 corridors?

boeing_eng 2nd Aug 2020 00:11

Gulfstream may well pick up some engineers who have been made redundant from elsewhere. However, it takes some time to train and type rate licensed engineers so it won't happen quickly and some work might be retained at LTN in the meantime....In my opinion this crisis will see many older engineers retiring early as there is a large number in the industry who are well over 50. The bean counters have always seen engineers as necessary evil's so terms and conditions will be almost impossible to maintain at pre-covid levels going forward (like many other airline departments).....Many older engineers started their careers in the Forces or with aircraft manufacturers (but both are no longer viable sources of well trained engineers for the airlines)


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