The old problem of confusing transit pax with transfer pax. The CAA figures will refer for example to pax from ISL transiting through MAN to JFK on a through flight.

flybe pax transferring from say Exeter to EY at MAN will be included in both the domestic pax figures and the scheduled international. i.e. will be counted 4 times for a return flight under terminal pax.

Hope this is right but it's how I understand it.

I thought that that figure was transit and not transfer. So it's just people who get off and back on the same flight. Not sure if data on transfer is recorded and it wouldn't capture informal transfer of course anyway.

MANFOD's understanding is absolutely correct. Transit pax are those that arrive and depart on the same flight.

The numbers of transfers (ie connecting) pax are not routinely recorded. The best source of data are the CAA's periodic surveys, summaries of which are on the CAA website.

I think you'll find that's the total of Kuwait Airways transit passengers flying KWI-JFK and vice versa with a transit stop in LHR. I think that's the only transit service in LHR.

Emirates coming in after declaring emergency Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker! (diverted from dst JFK)

EK201 from DXB to JFK diverting in to MAN this lunchtime.

Conspiracy theorists begin here.................>


Probably medical

Think that's right, as the other one on AI, BOM-LHR-JFK, is now split BOM-JFK and BOM-LHR. B777s made the former possible.

Wythenshawe hospital, alerted heard it is flight attendant very ill.

Nothing new here but it's Mr O'Toole's first piece for the M.E.N since he was appointed MD of MAN.

Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News

Thank you MANFOD

Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News

Very Factual, Very Safe, Very Accurate.....but sadly very dull !

Who ever the MAG scriptwriters are, a blossoming career with The One Show awaits !

With his roots steeped in Irish Culture a couple of pints of Guinness beforehand would not have done Mr O'Toole any harm...to me at least this appeared to be totally devoid of passion !

Oscar Wilde, James Joyce etc you can rest easy !

There is something called an E.... ongoing at the moment, I won't mention the word but, well you know what it is !

Maybe a time to influence ?
An opportunity to set out ones own mandate,
A ideal time to air opinions, even grievances maybe ", "just a thought"

So what might a more robust , Churchillian (with a hint of Irish) speech by our new table thumping MD of Manchester Airport have also suggested ?

A) To hell with your Airport Capacity Report, we will NOT be dictated to by a failed banker that long haul from the regions won't work because we have to meet environmental targets, that seemingly do not apply to the South East.

B) We will NOT have a Government of any persuasion underwrite any blank cheques to projects with a South Eastern Airport bias where the resultant outcome is out by a factor of 100% with reference to a return !

C) We ARE mindful of a possible coalition, possibly highly influenced by Scottish MPs who having already successfully negotiated a 50% reduction in APD, argue EQUALLY vehemently about the expansion of LHR based on the false premise of connectivity to Scotland ....... a need which even to the most dimmest of observers is ALREADY IN PLACE, in terms of both frequency and capacity !

In the pre election run we will need to shout to be heard......!

And one more; this time from the M.E.N Business Editor.

Manchester Airport breaks its all-time passenger numbers record - Manchester Evening News

A record year (to 31 March presumably), although figures for the month of March not specifically given.

But there is a reference to ongoing talks for routes to mainland China and the US West Coast.

However, a rather strange comment that MAN feel that all cities in Europe where routes would be viable are now served and that the aim now is to increase frequencies. I can think of odd ones in France, Spain and Romania (if LPL hadn't got in first) that might work. Does that tell us anything about what they expect, or not, from easyjet or Ryanair I wonder.

Anyway, well done MAN.

Full flights
 

I've just spent quite some time on the phone with my travel agent trying to get a flight from Sydney to Manchester next Thursday 16th or Friday 17th March, either on Emirates, Cathay, or (very much my last choice) BA via LHR. There are no seats on any of those carriers on those days, save for the Thursday CX service where there are apparently 2 business class seats left. Alas, my employer won't allow travel at the pointy end. So I'm having to postpone my travel plans for a few days in order to get flights.

The other alternative was Etihad, who could get me there on Friday, but only 3 economy seats left. I used to fly Etihad, but no longer do so, so won't be taking that option.

Although inconvenient for me, it's good to see that Emirates, Etihad and Cathay are all full inbound to MAN on 16th / 17th April. I believe part of the reason is the 100th anniversary of Anzac day, with many Australians traveling to Europe to commemorate the event. Flights into LHR were also full, hence my failure to even get there on BA (I could get to LHR on BA, but no seats left on the shuttle to MAN.)

Re previous post on M.E.N Article; there is actually a reference to growth last month being 10%. I assume that means March and not Feb which was also 10%. I feel we should be cautious about prospects for April which last year included the whole of the Easter holiday period. I suspect March this year will have got some benefit from the earlier Easter and of course April will see no Little Red flights and a late restart for ORD for example. However, there are some new routes, including those carried over from winter.

The quote about destinations in Europe was:

Mr O’Toole added: “We believe there is not a destination in Europe for which there is demand that we do not have an existing service to.

“Our objective is now very much about building the frequency of flights to these location.”

Any other views on that first sentence? I guess it's intended to be positive PR saying look what we've achieved and how important MAN is. Perhaps it's just me, but I think there's a hint of complacency and even lack of ambition. How about those destinations served from LPL and not MAN. Do we just accept the status quo?

Edit: Could it perhaps be a reflection and acceptance of the capacity constraints at busy times? Increased frequencies to Europe would probably not require additional based a/c and might operate at quieter periods of the day.

All a bit odd ....

This from CityAM.

Was a new press release rushed out ?

Manchester Airport cashing in on turbulence at London rivals | City A.M.

“We have made great headway to unlock the spare capacity at Man*ch*ester Airport and are in talks with a range of carriers to further capitalise on the potential we offer in the short- to medium-term while the south east capacity debate evolves.”


AND this from InsiderMedia

another press release

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/...urther-growth/

and a different set of quotes including

Manchester has also been pushing hard in recent months to establish a direct link to mainland China and Insider understands a service to Beijing could be agreed before the end of the year.

Manchester Exile - Full Flights
 

Have you tried SQ?

Manchester Exile,

What about SYD-NRT-HEL-MAN on JL/AY. Not the most convenient, but is another option

Many thanks Bagso for those other links.

Unfortunately, MAN is not mentioned in this item.

Hainan Airlines Proposes 4 International Routes Launch in s15 :: Routesonline

I think he may be alluding to the fact that any new service will likely be wanting to use the terminals during peak times. MAN has 2 runways, but not much available in terminal capacity when people want to fly.

Good news that MAN has got back to the mid 2000's level, lets hope it can keep these levels up.

I think we can say the Hainan news is another duff.

Its interesting the news comes direct from Hainan (a copy of the email can be found on 'the hub routes' twitter), so would be unfair to blame Sarah1991 for the duff info, but, you have to wonder why Hainan are giving out this wrong, and sometimes conflicting information.

I mean, to say a route will be bookable today is quite a confident statement.

Lost in translation perhaps?

What worries me is that from the press releases about MAN's record pax numbers, Beijing seems to have gone from 'announced in the next 3 months' to back in the 'wishlist' pile alongside LAX/BKK/BOM and ICN.

BDLBOS, I think you could well be right and in fact I'd belatedly edited my post to raise this same point.

LAX LHR, re Hainan, in the routesonline item about 4 new destinations, it refers to the routes being in their pdf schedule file (or some such name) but not in GDS. What is the significance of that, if any? With 2 routes to Japan, LAX and TLV specified, it does make you wonder how far down the list MAN now is.

The hainan PDF timetable is on the Hainan website, its almost like the old timetable books airlines used to print.

The hub routes twitter has posted a screenshot of the email regarding Manchester. The email has certainly come from a Hainan Airline account, but, we have to wonder why the info is totally wrong?

I do believe Hainan have an intent to launch MAN, but when that will be, who knows?

I think that settles that then.

Maybe there is something lost in translation. Certainly MAN-PEK is bookable with Hainan, but via BRU in co-op with Brussels Airlines.
Today, they have launched special offer flights MAN-PEK (via BRU) with special fares for travel in December. With that in mind, the chance of a non stop this year is Nil.

My money is still on Air China being first to launch, but when is another matter altogether.

hainan
 

Hainan replied to me last nights apologising they had a mix up with the Birmingham service and manchester service.
The said the manchester service will start once the A330 crewing is resolved. (Airline routes can confirm this as they just spoken to there representative from the airline and forwarded it into my inbox on facebook) saying the route will launch one the airbus a330 crewing is complete.

So for now I'm sticking with hainan! :-)

Also thanks Lax-LHR for confirming the airline got it wrong before I even said it and checked my 'this morning emails'

This! Given they're hand in glove with Cathay, albeit in a different alliance, they must be able to see the opportunity on a plate here. (Cathay is in Oneworld although you'd never really know..... )

I think we can safely say Hainan will not be launching MAN in 2015.


Given MAN were just '3 months away' from announcing flight, to the point MAN even went as far to say flights would be '5 weekly' (quite unusual for an airport to say things like that before an announcement), Hainan stating that MAN would be launched in 2015 back when they launched Paris, Hainan signing up handling/transport/hotels etc, I would be keen to know what went so badly wrong, as, the bulk of the hard work was evidently done, it should have been pretty much a done deal.


I suppose you win some and loose some, but, its not often you get so close to a service, then for it not to happen is a bit of a wierd one (I know rumours happen all the time, but, this time, the parties involved were giving out the bulk of the info).


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In terms of the quote from O'Toole 'most of europe is covered', I kind of see where he is coming from.


In terms of large gaps, only Bucharest, a mid-German airport and Bordeaux stand out as 'largish' unserved gaps, and focus should now be on building up flights.


Ideally, Madrid, Vienna, Oslo and Athens need to be at least daily (Ryanair look to be making MAD daily this winter and Austrian hotly tipped to be aiming for a daily MAN-VIE in September).


Lyon needs to be more than 1 weekly, and year round. Scope for Palma to be better served in winter, Barcelona is one that could do with a better winter offering too. To think that on the germanwings aircraft that crashed there were 7 passengers heading to MAN, as well as countless other BCN-XXX-MAN vv routings due to no direct flights that day, indicates a market is possibly there for daily winter flights.


Just my 2 cents.

But the quote attributed to Ken O'Toole was even more all embracing. He doesn't just refer to major cities but any destination where there is demand. If there is no demand from the region, fair enough. But what if existing services from our catchment area do exist and show there is demand? Does MAN simply sit back or should it be actively trying to win some of those routes either with or from competitor airports. Some destinations in France and Poland come to mind, along of course with Bucharest.

That said, I do accept there are opportunities for increasing frequencies, and just with the locos.

Hainan replied to me last nights apologising they had a mix up with the Birmingham service and manchester service.

I can confirm BHX was added as a direct route in the Hainan booking engine and PDF timetable yesterday.

So it would seem that BHX is the first to get the flights. The fact that they are in their booking engine leads me to the view that its a bit more than a charter. How does this square with the Bi lateral if of course there is a new one in place.

now also appearing in Amadeus

Monday/Friday 3/7/15 to 28/8/15
HU7949 PEK-BHX 0250-0800 767
HU7950 BHX-PEK 0930-0335+1 767

Those timings are awful both ways, not generally inline with business requirements

Surely these are just the charters ?

Twice a week for 8 weeks !

I agree Bagso, but if the flights are in the booking engine could it imply that the major travel agent/tour operator is not selling all the seats and some tickets can be bought independently, or would that not be possible?

Mind you, the way Hainan seems to communicate, I'm beginning to think Air China might be a better option for MAN.

If there is a positive to all this, it's that it gives Cathay plenty of time to really bed in and hopefully demonstrate high load factors and yield throughout the year, with transfer options to mainland China. This would surely increase the chances of their upgrading the route to a daily service.

Time to walk between T1 and T2
 

Does anyone know how long it takes to walk between T1 and T2 using the sky tunnels (don't know their names apologies)

International Trade**/**Airport pledges 'exciting year' amid new record THEBUSINESSDESK.COM

Yet another one suggests MAN targeting China, LA, Boston, San Francisco. ......oh AND India !

India ?

Record Year
 

Just curious, going by wiki (not 100%) but it states that 2006 saw over 22.4 million in a 12 month period so how has 22.3 million broken the record?

It's called Skylink and the displays read "10-15min", given there are travelators you might do it in 8 if really in a hurry/tailwinds :p -- never did the whole run, since I need T1 to railways ("The Station") only, which is about half the way and 5min are easy.

Ah, and all glory, the really have distances between the different points:cool:
Accessibility At The Airport | Manchester Airport

Terminal 1 To Terminal 2 / Terminal 1 to Terminal 2: 750 metres

Need a heading, too? :E

Two possibilities occur without checking the numbers properly:

Terminal pax only compared to Total including transits.

or, Financial year to 31 March compared to Calendar Year figure (or any rolling 12 month total).

Re T1 to T2, from T1 departure level I would say 8 minutes at a brisk walk.
10 minutes should be comfortable.

From T1 arrivals, an extra 2 minutes to walk outside, and up the lift or the escalator to the Skylink. (It has been known for escalators or some of the moving walkways on the Skylink not to be working!)

Bagso,

I remember the joint press conference between Jet Airways and MAN few years back, where Jet said they were keen to start out of MAN..perhaps thats what they are talking about re India..


Perhaps a through flight to the states now they have lifted restrictions on Indian airlines there ?




Nigel