Must have took some laxatives to get that one out Beafer, been holding on for weeks!!

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Why would a military unit relocate to a civvy airport?

The bottom line here is that Peel can make more money from the land as housing / commercial property than they can with an airport. Making money is what they do. It's their airport.


Darlington International has such a small catchment area, bounded by the sea, Newcastle and LBA that there is no prospect of it getting sufficiently busier to survive.

Commercial realities will win in the end. Look at the farce that Manston has developed into, as well as St. Mawgan.

What a shock you're all in for :ok:

airpolice, it was discussed some years ago as they thought the Hawks didn't need to be a military job, no idea why it was back healed. Don't forget Cobham used to be the Canberra squadron. Other things have also been talked about as Robert says watch this space.

If we are still talking Cobham/Leeming the next checkpoint should be the awarding of the ASDOT contract in 2020.

Says on this link that the Hawks at Leeming are due to carry on until 2027.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ssor-p-427454/

Can anybody local say exactly where this relates to? Any impact on DTVA?

Former RAF site at Durham Tees Valley Airport is to become housing estate (From The Northern Echo)

No impact. Buildings opposite camper van centre right near the start of the old entrance road.

If anyone still cares it appears Skydive St. George have gone bankrupt

Government £1.2 BILLION grants available.
 

Noticed the new wind farm is about to go up down the road.

I'm aware that Peel are moving into wind farms elsewhere in the country.
Made me wonder what was in it for them?
There is a post in the public comments section under this article which says that the government is paying out £1.2 billion in grants to build the wind turbines.
Wasn't this wind farm the one that Peel objected to, and said it would affect their radar at DTV?
Construction of £17.5m Moor House wind farm on outskirts of Darlington due to begin this week (From The Northern Echo)

I don't think they need to be subsidised any longer. The costs have come down so much that they as cheap as as fossil fuels.

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider...y-airport-area

Can anybody think where such significant housing development has taken place so close to the terminal?

Most growing airports are building car parks, not building on them!

Southend for one, there are others, and there will still be parking to spare, they're not exactly building on top of it, more around it

While investment is of course welcome...do you not t get the feeling the airport is becoming somewhat hemmed in??

HWU - yes, exactly - can't think of any other airport which has initiated such new housing development right up to the terminal complex

RR- Southend? Where are you thinking of?

Based on current numbers maybe, but the quote above says the development won't "hinder future growth".

The Masterplan clearly shows the current car park being built on - at the Eastern end and the western area currently used by the caravan store (the Masterplan does say it is possible to expand the car parking "potentially through a decked solution" - that's what every executive housing estate needs...)

There's always ways and means to expand

Luton surely? Hardly a quiet backwater

Take a look at Peel owned DSA, housing developments on all access approaches, and the former RAF accommodation sites. Has worked for them there, seems they are only building on the same model at DTV.

Yeah there are plenty of good examples

OK - lets go over this again as I've not made myself clear. The latest press statement has a quote from a spokesperson saying:
Haven't got a problem with that - exactly what they should be doing, and as I've stated previously this is what has happened so well at Liverpool (IMHO, a better example than DSA)

however, the statement also says
Now, I can't think of another airport where an airport company has promoted housing so close to the terminal complex - as HWU says hemming it in - and can't see how this won't hinder future growth. Where airports have developed around the terminal it ahs been complementary activities - hotels, car parking(!), logistics parks, etc.

Other than providing funding (admittedly not an insignificant benefit), can't see how having housing so close to the terminal is remotely complementary - far more likely to be the opposite...

A reversal of the decision to stop bucket and spade routes.
Eat humble pie and do as Carlisle is going to be doing ( this from the horses mouth) - we are probably giving easy jet free landing slots the same deal as how we got them into Southend which started as we will ).
Off topic but their main runway is being closed shortly for total resurfacing and approach and landing aids.
Lighting etc.
The terminal is hemmed in and will be having 7 large jet capacity stands . This being attached to the logistics hub.
They are confident Ryanair will come . Bravado maybe but coming from where the information came from it's fair to say there may be truth in it. But a point here is Carlisle is surprisingly very busy a lot of mixed traffic this has delayed the runway works. But that airport has a museum and a huge distribution centre plus plans for some other complex close to the site.
More telling was the comment that the terminal is quite close the the runway or will be.
The old terminal is closer to the museum . But I did get a few photos.
As stated DSA has housing surrounding it.
And much more coming .
why worry about one carpark being the deatjknell.
As I say if they allow more routes and beg Thomson back minus fees . Those homes will be full of people who won't have to endure the northern parts of the N1 to get to Newcastle.
So I can see how it will be a benefit .
And future expansion .
The airport as I read is operating at 1972 levels.
I would not worry about making it bigger for eons!.

Where is it that this mythical population currently live?

A surge of Ryanair pax, prepared to fly from Carlisle or DTV, presently live and fly from where?

That will change.... why?

EGPO - where to start... :eek:

Bucket and spade routes always seemed to do well before, even doing a 'W' pattern with Ncl. would be a start.

Who wants to pay the full price which makes a profit for a bucket and spade holiday!

The same place they lived when Teesside Airport had about 8 times as many passengers as it does now? They haven't gone anywhere but the airlines have, for some reason.

The same people who use Ncl and Lba at the moment. I would imagine that most company's who fly from any airport want to make a profit. More passengers of any type should mean a win, win situation for airport and the airlines that use them.

Press comments
 

Looks like some of the Peel supporters have been posting public comments under the airport news piece praising Peel plans for no holiday flights.
Campaigners question £1.2m Teesside Airport improvement plan - Gazette Live

Re the plans for the new 55 home development which was know as the Lancaster House buildings. They are going to be built right next to the new railway station.

Type in Lancaster House in the planning search box. The land sometimes floods from memory.
Planning Search

No way are they paying full price though, too much competition

Housing
 

Although I enjoy flying from the airport it doesn't bring a whole lot to the area economy wise.

What is of critical value and many seem to ignore, is the fact that in order to allow any of our children or grandchildren to buy a house, we will need tens of millions of new homes. Sites like this are ideal for a development opportunity and should be welcomed as such, houses and people will bring more prosperity to the area than continuing to support a failed local airfield.

. It is at the moment with business flights and grouse shooters.

Only got to look what happened to Sheffield Airport, which was owned by Peel to see what they have in mind for this airport, as they play the long game.:(

If talk is to be believed (and I'm inclined to believe it given the last round of chatter from the same people yielded fruit in the form of Loganair) then statements such as the above will have no foundation by the end of the year

If you look at an Ordnance Survey map of the area there are thousands of acres that are a hell of a lot closer to the town centres of Middlesbrough, Darlington, Stockton, Hartlepool etc. I really can't see where people have got this idea that DTVA, stuck as it is halfway between Darlington and Stockton, is prime land for house building. It's got a railway line next to it , true, but other than that, can't see what makes it any more attractive than any other Brownfield site where development wouldn't involve removing the region's airport.

We need to build on them as well mate, trust me, I'm not singling out the airfield.

The inevitable industry, supermarkets, pubs and entertainment facilities that come with large estate type developments are far more beneficial than the dream of bucket and spade routes.

And trust me, I would love to see nothing more than a bustling airport, I spent many happy hours as a kid spotting, but some realities have to be faced.

All of them? Really, look at the Ordnance Survey map that includes DTVA. There's loads more white space on there than here is pinkish grey space. The population is increasing, sure but if it's increasing to such an extent that we need to build on even a quarter of that white space, then we need to look at cutting population growth, but that's getting into JetBlast territory...


As I mentioned previously, the 900,000 passengers a year who were flying from the airport a few years ago are still there. Sure , there have been changes in the local economy and transport links to NCL, LBA etc, but nowhere near enough to account for a ~90% drop in passenger numbers. I'm an outsider looking in (well, from 40 miles up the road anyway) but don't give up on the old place.

Peel make a statement
 

Looks like Peel are telling the new regional Mayor that they have NO intention on selling the 800 acres of prime building land once known as Teesside Airport.

Peel say they have invested £40m. Looks like Pinocchio time ;)
It will soon be " We've put enough money into the failing airport after kicking Thomsons out and its time to close it".

You can just see the press release "Well we've tried storing caravans and using a hangar for scrapping planes, skydiving, and even plans for a refuge tip, all to no avail. So its back to what we do best, house building on gifted land, a bit like Sheffield Airport.

No doubt those in the council who did the secret deal to gift the airport to Peel will have shredded all of the confidential documents.
Wonder why they won't answer FOI requests.
Time for an investigation into who were the secret handshakers who arranged the sale.
'Inaccurate': Airport bosses hit out at mayor for suggesting detailed talks to buy it back are under way - Gazette Live

Why is it feasible to build houses /infastructure etc in Durham foresaking a few flights a day ? BUT not alright in Newcastle just up the road where MPs there want billions invested in Heathrow 400 miles away. And this on the basis that it might, just might bring riches in 20 years !

Would the NE not benefit from proportional direct investment now ?

It just seems an odd proposal for North East MPs to support.

Why not lobby for investment in your own area ?

So are the passengers that used to fly from Blackpool, Cambridge, Coventry, Galway, Gloucester, Manston, Oxford, Plymouth, Sheffield, (Shoreham, if it counts), Sligo, Swansea & Waterford. Dundee and Prestwick would be on this list too were it not for government intervention.

It has become harder to operate an airport (it's more expensive and airlines will pay less for it); and the effects of this are being seen all over the country. And we don't know how bad Brexit will be, but we do know that whatever else it's not going to help. I would say there's at least one vacancy on that list for an airport from the British Isles with a name beginning with D.

A controversial thread that I think sees more posts in the thread than commercial movements at the airport might not be the place to go and do this... but has anyone wondered if it would be better if they called the airport where it is, rather than a place you can't really get to from it that's at least as easy to get to from a bigger and better known airport? I feel their market is more realistically Middlesbrough and Teeside than Durham...

Becoming..yet again an interesting thread..and a window on UK Airports per se...

Nice to see new contributors with fresh ideas,knowledge,threats! And hope...

Funny old airport Goosepool,Middleton St. George,Teesside Airport or DTV and that is probably the problem..identity,purpose,usage and outcome.
Plenty for Beafer to get his teeth(false?) into...

Good reading ,keep these posts coming...