EGPO would recommend further reading of the thread.

N-M-B - I've no problem with DTVA using some of the site for housing, I'm all for anything which makes the site more viable, but the concern at DTVA is the location. As well as being very close to the apron and taxiways, it effectively hems in the terminal - my recollection is the main access to the terminal will be through the new housing estate, access to any commercial development on the south side will run alongside and most of the terminal car parking will disappear.

EGPO - where to start?

DTVA cancelled the contract with TUI

KLM have already withdrawn the Fk.100 - the Fk.70's (80 seats) are being replaced by EMB-175's (88 seats) so little change. These are the smallest a/c in the fleet. They seem to have a profitable core of business travellers so don't see anything changing soon. The terminal is to be re-furbished, and I wouldn't be surprised if KLM did some prompting.

The owners plan to save the airport is a mix of developing the site for housing and commercial use, maintain/attract a limited number of airline routes and to develop non-airline aviation businesses.

Welcome back onyxcrowle...

EGPO
Just for info. the eastern flights from Norwich are to pick up the passengers from cancelled J41 flights from MME to Aberdeen, sometimes in the reverse.

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Thank you for the information there Oldart...

I worked for KLM, aka Air UK, some 32 years ago and even then their MME routes up/down the east coast and to/from AMS were well established, it has nothing to do with ":years later"!

Harry I think the old Norwich DTVA route is one that might work again with the gas rigs and wind farm work down there. Not sure what aircraft would suit the route.

I may have been off here a while due to commitments in Asia, however as I have a few spare hours whilst travelling through Shanghai I thought I would make my comments on the future...


Although the terminal upgrade is going ahead I have noticed the installation of a games room, this in my opinion is not required for business travellers, after travelling continuously for work with KLM I have never seen anyone on the KLM flights wanting to play air hockey, alas this is a waste of money.


I have heard as well that KLM are once again questioning the feasibility of the route and may well look to end the contract earlier if passenger figures don't go up.


It also seems that FoDTVA are now being treat as servants to the airport with a social media policy, heavily influenced by the Peel gangsters. I am a paid up member of FoDTVA just to keep an eye on what is going on.


I still also don't understand why these members are asked to "help out" when a charter flight comes in, I've flew through many airports as have many in the UK now and I'm sure they don't need assistance to be guided through the garden shed...




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Tim

Although the terminal upgrade is going ahead I have noticed the installation of a games room, this in my opinion is not required for business travellers, after travelling continuously for work with KLM I have never seen anyone on the KLM flights wanting to play air hockey, alas this is a waste of money.
Surely the games room would only work if you had a load of bucket and spade passengers passing through. Alas this would seem to be a pipe dream, the likes of Thomson's are going to give MME a wide berth after the way they were treated.

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I shook my head in disbelief at the ' games room, they do know it's an Airport not some dingy low rent motorway service area?.
As for KLM leaving I had also heard this.
IMHO when the Fokkers are gone KLM may decide not to send it's larger aircraft , unless they still have any small prop aircraft in service?.
And godforbid they go i cant see Eastern bothering anymore they'd be just as well to relocate to Carlisle if it actually opens next year.

When did you hear of KLM leaving Onyx? And by larger I assume you're referring to the EMB-170? Also, why would Eastern be better off moving to Carlisle?

Eastern to Carlisle or maybe KLM. Come on guys...Carlisle will never survive as an airport,never has,never will...

KLM to leave DTV? It's a possibility but doubtful..worryingly the figures month on month are not good...it will almost certainly need an upturn in passengers to keep KLM happy..no sign over last 6 months. KLM have a lot on their plate with Air France as a partner!!!!

Eastern..who knows,,other threads put them down as a basket case!

Finally..don't think a games room will encourage extra passengers.....oh please. Let's fly from DTV. They have a Pokemon machine...or then again....

Try new accurate road sign posts,cancel departure tax and actually have a product that works?

The games room is probably to keep the 'un-paid staff'...sorry 'friends of MME' happy between flights.......!!

EGPO - just to save us repeating ourselves, have a look at my response to you at post #1883

Perhaps the games room is part of the community facilities promised for the new housing?

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Well they do have a DC3.......... :O

Heard the games room has a dedicated link to pprune!!

Is it definitely a games room? If this has been taken from FODTVAs Facebook feed then it appears they were only speculating? Seems to be a lot of FODTVA bashing on here again, which I've never understood, if they were being treated as servants I would imagine their members would just unsubscribe en mass, you can't really hold a gun to the heads of an organisation like that, if they're investing their time and effort they must be getting something out of it? And the notion that they're unpaid staff is just ridiculous, if that was the case half the jobs currently listed on the airport website would just be given to FODTVA!!

Well here we are again, all about FoDTVA, I know fine well that a few of their members are on here and often say they aren't members, clearly shows embarrassment to the scheme. I was thinking when passing through the terminal yesterday that all these unpaid hours of work that the "friends" are doing could be better directed towards a charity, not a working business that is there to make a profit and just exploiting these deluded people.


I notice Eastern have got AIS in to use a J32 on the ABZ flights, a blast from the past there and definitely not a good swap in my opinion although it will make the load factors look more pleasing.


Anyways, I wonder who's playing butler to the airport paid staff, must be a friend permanently in the terminal now I guess, shame they don't help me off the KLM flight as I've almost forgot how to use an airport.

My point proven. I understand the group is run by amongst others a number of successful business directors and managers, perhaps that strengthens your argument rather than weakens it but at the very least it rules out deluded. If liking their Facebook page counts as membership then yeah I guess I am, but I haven't shelled out a membership fee, the airport pay me to do 40 odd hours a week, I could not justify paying money back in to do more!!

So with the J32 on Aberdeen, it goes back up to 4 daily apart from a Friday.

Also KLM are reinstating the Sunday tea time flight from the end of October, but the mid morning flight stops, so still only 2 flights on Sunday's

Mr Ryan, you don't seem to get the point do you, I assume that you must go under a fake name on here as none of the staff at the airport seem to know your name, I was asking as I feel as though it would be nice to put a face to the name, not to worry anyways, I flew out again yesterday morning on the 1530, good load as per but people still seem to be very unpleasant about the airport, one gentleman even stated that he is moving his future flight to NCL as he isn't pleased with the service.

The J32's are just filling in I believe as Eastern have a lot on their plate in future, route cutting will come next I believe or maybe W patterns so I wouldn't be surprised to see developments with the MME route... however watch this space. I'm looking forward to using the E175's once we eventually get them!

Did he say what his complaint is?

TinTin, youre damn right i use a fake name, having seen more than one colleague get hauled over the coals over the years for their comments on this and other forums/sites

You need to be brave and use your real name ..like Teesside TinTin.His wife Terry TinTin doesn't hide her name,or the kids...Thomas TinTin and Tammy TinTin..not forgetting the dog Rusty TinTin!

Well if stopping pax from the 1530 from stalking you at work isn't a good reason for using a fake name, I don't know what would be!

Obviously I use my real name though.

Read into this what you will, but lots of chatter around the airport suggesting tomorrow is going to be a very good day...

Airport to close ???

Looks like Loganair 3 daily to Aberdeen and 1 daily to Norwich.

Loganair striking back at the Eastern/Flybe partnership?

Hmm, good news I guess even if it does raise more questions than it answers

Oh well it's news..so that's goodbye to the eastern base? Or will ,as probable just be a rebranding of The Jetstream route? Norwich...will be an interesting route..unless of course it's just confirmation of the Sunday only schedule?
We will see..

Is there the demand for both on ABZ route
This could end badly if T3 pull out and loganair can't make money on it

All speculation but gut feeling is they will take over the route and one of the rotations will include Norwich?
Hope the figures improve though as they are nothing short of disastrous over the last few months.
At least prices should be cheaper than Eastern!!

Probably a power game to create some leverage. If you play in our forecourt, we will play in your's - and let's see who has the deeper pockets.

Looks like 1 Saab 340 based from 16th October operating 3x/4x Aberdeen and 1x Norwich

Durham Tees Valley Airport: Introduction of new airline will provide a 'shot in the arm' - Gazette Live

Bit of a double-edged sword, LOG and Eastern/Flybe clearly intent on going head to head - can't see them both succeeding and MME might end up being collateral damage.

Being more positive, interesting comment from the Loganair managing director in the link above:

Going back to the early 70s Air Anglia had a NWI-MME-ABZ service using F27s I believe. Plus ca change and all that.

4 flights per week not 3 DAILY !!

Highwide...cheer up! It's good news, end of.

any holiday charters still go from MME? saw Naples on the arrivals board for Sunday

Only ad-hoc by Newmarket and Omega.