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Tegel to be open?
 

But the source eu01 links to only says (if my olc school German is correct) that Ryanair wants Tegel to be kept open and tells people to sign the petition to keep Tegel open.

Is it ?

Firstly I was referring to the new airport which is in fact being used for some revenue generating activity (ie. the parking facility...).

Now my understanding is that said new airport was to use the code BBI (Berlin Brandenburg International), once both TXL, SXF and THF would be closed and consolidated there, as per initial plans... until someone realized that there was already an airport using this code in India (Biju Patnaik International Airport). At which point the code was change to BER. Now I have no idea what code the airport will use, assuming it ever opens :confused:

It still will be BER if and when it opens, the airport code hasn't changed so I don't know why you state 'now I have no idea what code the airport will use'!

What no idea whatsoever!

It's BER nothings changed on that part just the prolonged opening.

But you are aware that the new Berlin airport BER is situated at Schonefeld!

Well i'm pretty sure that the code BBI was initially considered for the new airport...

As for BER it sometimes (probably erroneously) refers to all airports in Berlin ("Metropolitan Area" as per IATA designation). Typically appears in booking engines for instance.

Also noteworthy is the FBB/BBF codes for - if I correctly understand - the company overseeing the operations of all Berlin airports.

Anyway time will tell :)

BBI was indeed the IATA code that was origionaly assigned to Berlin Brandenburg Airport but was changed to BER for reasons mentioned in post 123, because it was and still is intended to be the sole airport for the city of Berlin so NO confusion.

At the moment, the new Brandenburg terminal has a capacity of around 27m pax per year. Tegel and Schonefeld combined currently service well over 30m pax per year, and it seems likely that the Schonefeld terminal will remain open to cope with the passenger numbers and avoid overloading the new Brandenburg terminal

Does that mean that the SXF code will continue in parallel with BER, or will the old East German terminal get the new BER code and branding ?

Indeed it is. AFAIK, the SXF rwy will be one of BER's 2 rwys, correct me if this wrong.


It's possible that TXL may have to remain open to allow for expansion in pax numbers, even if the SXF teminal remains open for "no frills" carriers. In that case, a new IATA code will be needed as BER will remain the generic code for all Berlin airports. For simlicity's sake, best call it SXF.

Probably the latter, if TXL has been closed, probably not otherwise.


But don't hold your breath in any event.

If and when BER opens it will be BER, I am sure that if the old Schonefeld terminal is kept for low cost airlines it will still be part of the BER airport but probably called BER Terminal 2.

If TXL is kept open and a very big IF obviously it will remain TXL.

I really don't see what the confusion is!

In Oban
Further to comments on how well Cross Rail was doing I thought I would just post this article from todays construction enquirer. Sounds to be going very well ! Promise to go back to planes and airports now as we have just been appointed to a new airport re development so will get back on topic.

"Balfour Beatty has agreed to pay Crossrail electricians bonuses of more than £4 an hour for the rest of the duration of the project.

The deal has been struck at the Whitechapel site and union leaders will now push for similar finishing bonuses from other contractors across the whole route.
The deal could add millions to contractors’ costs on the project which is facing major technical challenges.

The Enquirer reported claims by workers last month that the job is in chaos with recently installed M&E work being ripped out because of incorrect drawings.
Electricians have now dubbed the job the “Hokey Cokey” line because they take so much M&E work out after it has been put in.
One source said: “I’ve never seen anything like it down there.
“I don’t know what on earth happened with the technical drawings but the whole thing is a mess.”

The latest bonus deal also includes provision for a one hour daily paid break and will see electrcians’ hourly rates top the £22 mark.
Another source added: “Now Balfour has moved on this all the other contractors will come under enormous pressure to match these bonus payments.”

Said, I take it, with more than a small dose of irony!!

Good luck with your new job. I was aware of these M and E issues, and I dare say my learned friends will be well paid allocating the blame. The question is - will these costs be paid by the contractors or be charged to Crossrail? That's why you need a well-designed contract.

Muhlenfeld out - Marks back in
 

The farce continues

I am out of words...

2016 stats are out for German aiports.
Tegel saw 21.25m passengers, while Schonefeld saw 11.65m passengers
Thus Berlin's two airports saw a total of 32.9m passengers which would be a challenge to fit into BER's 27m passenger design capacity

Seems there are no two ways about it - Schonefeld (or Tegel) absolutely has to stay open in combination with BER

The whole airport is wholly unfit for purpose, tear it down, replan it, remove any personnel that has anything to do with the current project, build it, have it all done within 5 years and then open it.

Scratching arses and heads until the next problem arises hasn't gotten them anywhere

As stated in #121, TXL will have to remain open.

The new airport is an extension of SXF, so effectively, it will remain open.

Leaked documents from BER airport now say that 2018 is a definite no, with a target opening date of the second half of 2019. A delay of the opening to 2020 cannot however be ruled out

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...l-over-new-ber

Air Berlin (AB, Berlin Tegel) chief Thomas Winkelmann has told Die Zeit that if Berlin Tegel airport remains open, his airline would prefer to stay there rather than move to the new Berlin Brandenburg Int'l.

"If Tegel remains open, you can make a museum out of the BER," Winkelmann is quoted as saying.

The question being will AB still be in business by the time BER opens...

FWIW apparently Easyjet is also considering flying from Tegel.